How did the Kings miss the playoffs?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Because they're no good.

[Red]

Wow, this guy sure brings a lot of corsi in to this. And unlucky in OT/Shootouts and one goal games? Sutter coaches for 1 goal games. Remember Kipper specials? 2:1 wins. That was not luck.
I think the team was tired mentally and physically. Just not enough drive to win in regulation and by the time they made OT they were out of breath and hardly interested. Most of these guys already accomplished everything they dreamed off, hard to motivate them any more. Nothing to do with luck. And corsi being down are a reflection of lost drive.

[Finger Cookin]

Only pulling out 3 wins in 18 OT/SO games definitely had something to do with it. 9 of the 15 losses were in games where the Kings even scored first.

[GGG]

Losing voynov and Mitchell made them a bubble team which left them subject to randomness. There overtime and shoutout record was bad enough to have them miss out.

When people hold up this as an incitement of Corsi it's kind of laughable as this kings team has won two cups playing a high possession style. Corsi shows them to be a good team and they are a good team. The difference between Vancouver, Calgary, kings, Jets and wild is within the margin of error of any prediction. So re-role this season and a different one of those teams would miss the playoffs.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

No, but when you are looking at 1600-1900 shots (at ES) over the course of the season, that usually does not matter, no matter how much Flames fans want to pretend otherwise.

Pretend? Yes shot quality will typically average out for a typical team.

But Flames fans aren't pretending anything . You watched the games too and you saw how they played - both offensively and defensively. When it comes to the Flames, there is no question that not all shots are created equal.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I will say this:

Seeing what Mitchell brought to the Panthers this year in terms of leadership, grit, heart, and very dependable play in his own zone, it's no wonder that the Kings seemed to be missing those elements at times this year. I think his loss matters a lot more than anyone would have considered, even if purely from a chemistry standpoint. The Florida Panthers say thank you for letting Mitchell walk.

[Geeoff]

Corsi is a good stat that some people use to draw bad conclusions from.

In my opinion, the Kings missed the playoffs because they have lost more games than they won.

[Pointman]

If you go by goals difference, Kings would be in playoffs too. And goals are pretty conventional stat. Or is it garbage now too, because, just like corsi, goals difference doesn't always tell you who will make playoffs?

[AcGold]

They lost because today's game wears players down to the point that you can't cover up errors with cheap shots and hooking. The Kings have played hockey into the middle of summer every year and they are just dog tired. Don't be surprised if they win the cup next year once they've got a rest.

[Mattman]

By being worse than No Good

[FlamesAddiction]

A few things to consider:

• The Kings finished 6th, 5th, 8th, 7th and 6th in the conference the last 5 years. Despite being a good playoff team, they are not an elite regular season team. It really shouldn't be a shock that they fell short finally.
• They faced some adversity this year with the Voynov situation. That, combined with bad cap management did not give them a lot of flexibility.
• Darryl Sutter is an awesome coach in the short term, but as a long term coach, there are some questions.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

A few things to consider:

• The Kings finished 6th, 5th and 8th in the conference the last 3 years. Despite being a good playoff team, they are not an alite regular season team.
• They faced some adversity this year with the Voynov situation. That, combined with bad cap management did not give them a lot fo flexibility.
• Darryl Sutter is an awesome coach in the short term, but as a long term coach, there are some questions.

Right. 2 cups in 3 years and there are questions.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Right. 2 cups in 3 years and there are questions.

Most coaches have a shelf life. Sutter even admitted that himself when he stepped down as the Flames coach.

Some coaches get diminishing returns sooner than others. Two cups in 3 years after joining the team doesn't suggest otherwise.

[Northendzone]

last night on the drive home - wills and lubo mentioned that the kings were something like 3-15 in bonus time - turn a couple of those into W's and they are in the mix again.

saw a few writers mentioning over the last week or two that if the kings could get in the playoffs they were favourites to win

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Pretend? Yes shot quality will typically average out for a typical team.

But Flames fans aren't pretending anything . You watched the games too and you saw how they played - both offensively and defensively. When it comes to the Flames, there is no question that not all shots are created equal.

Yes, on a single-game scale, it can make a huge difference. So too can a goalie standing on his head or fumbling the puck like an idiot.

But over 82 games, those largely smooth out.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Right. 2 cups in 3 years and there are questions.

There always have been. Coaches like Sutter cant last forever. They're motivational coaches that are extremely demanding, but you cant keep that up indefinitely, eventually it wears off or gets tuned out.

[White Out 403]

The corsi hate here is akin to watching someone on Fox news walk out into a snow storm and claim there's no global warming.

It's a complete misrepresentation of what corsi is, and it's becoming really difficult to read people pile on the Kings as if some how that makes advanced stats useless.

It's a predictive tool that's no where near perfect and has never been claimed to be.

[EldrickOnIce]

^ I guess I need to read info on this.
Because to me it sounds like saying over the course of a season all players should have the same shooting % - that it all evens out.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

^ I guess I need to read info on this.
Because to me it sounds like saying over the course of a season all players should have the same shooting % - that it all evens out.

Not quite. It would even out somewhat for the same reason why PDO evens out - regression to the mean. But highly skilled shooters will tend to score at higher rates and poorly skilled less.

But over 82 games and almost 2000 shots, every single team is going to generate a great deal of high quality chances, and a great deal of low quality chances. And in general, a team that is generating more chances overall, is going to have more high quality chances. Likewise, a team that gives up fewer chances will give up fewer high quality chances.

As has been the case all season long, the simple fact is that exception teams exist and are inevitable. Both Calgary and Los Angeles are such exceptions.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

The corsi hate here is akin to watching someone on Fox news walk out into a snow storm and claim there's no global warming.

It's a complete misrepresentation of what corsi is, and it's becoming really difficult to read people pile on the Kings as if some how that makes advanced stats useless.

It's a predictive tool that's no where near perfect and has never been claimed to be.

I think there's problems in its predictive capability because of the underlying assumptions.

Basically, when people say that Tampa Bay's PDO is well above 100. Then the responders will be like "of course, they have Stamkos, Johnson, Kucherov, Bishop etc."

But that just means that PDO is being used to reinforce a preconceived notion that Stamkos/Johnson/Kucherov/Bishop are good players. PDO is not predicting anything in this case.

Corsi is very similar. "Oh the Ducks have awful CF%, but they have Getzlaf and Perry!" - again, the outliers are explained away through just naming players that people know are good. All without looking at WHY the Ducks can continually buck the trend.

I personally believe that Calgary is going to consistently buck the trend. Johnny Gaudreau himself is the epitome of an anti-corsi player. He makes one move on Doughty, then fires a pass through his legs to an open Hudler for an insane scoring chance. They lose the puck. This happens consistently. Game after game, shift after shift. Yet Corsi continues to predict that JG is an awful player.