04-10-2015, 11:00 AM
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Backup Goalie
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Perhaps someone more adept at data mining can confirm, but if memory serves the shot counting in LA is very skewed in their favor. I couldn't find shot attempts anywhere broken out between home and away games to see if there is an arena bias padding LA's corsi.
I get that Corsi is pure calculation, and as the purists say "stats are stats, they can't be wrong". But what if the raw data (stat) is wrong because its completely subjective (what is a shot or attempt in one building may not be in another).
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04-10-2015, 11:01 AM
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#22
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Franchise Player
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Calgary Flames. That's why.
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04-10-2015, 11:03 AM
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#23
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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They left three points on the table against the Oilers and one against the Coyotes. Give them those four points, and they're tied with the Flames right now.
If they could have held their two third period leads at home against the Flames, Calgary would have 4 fewer points, and LA would have 2 more.
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04-10-2015, 11:04 AM
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#24
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Franchise Player
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for some strange reason perimeter shots at the goalies chest aren't as useful as point blank shots in the slot
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04-10-2015, 11:05 AM
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#25
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by getbak
They left three points on the table against the Oilers and one against the Coyotes. Give them those four points, and they're tied with the Flames right now.
If they could have held their two third period leads at home against the Flames, Calgary would have 4 fewer points, and LA would have 2 more.
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ifs and buts
if Calgary didn't lose 8 straight they would be giving the Ducks a run
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04-10-2015, 11:06 AM
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#26
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
for some strange reason perimeter shots at the goalies chest aren't as useful as point blank shots in the slot
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So Sayeth Jiri Hudler, The Kingslayer.
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04-10-2015, 11:06 AM
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#27
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First Line Centre
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Yet still the advanced stats devotees rank LA high:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=7...d=nhl:topheads
We need an advanced stat for shot quality ASAP - treating all shots the same is ludicrous, the NBA doesn't do it, which is why more advanced metrics there make more sense.
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04-10-2015, 11:07 AM
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#28
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
ifs and buts
if Calgary didn't lose 8 straight they would be giving the Ducks a run
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IF we had missed the playoffs that 8 game stretch would be the reason why. People are asking WHY they missed. These are the reasons
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04-10-2015, 11:07 AM
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#29
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wins 10 internets
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Watching the Kings in Edmonton and Calgary, they just looked like an extremely tired group. Stanley Cup in 2012, conference finals in 2013, another cup run in 2014 with 3 series going 7 games. And they had a trip to Europe sprinkled in there somewhere. No one has played as much hockey as the Kings have the last 3 years, they just looked done
With a long off-season to heal and recharge I think they look like a much different team in October
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04-10-2015, 11:08 AM
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#30
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Corsi numbers are so overrated
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04-10-2015, 11:11 AM
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nik-
Eventually advanced stats nerds will accept that not all shots are created equal.
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No, but when you are looking at 1600-1900 shots (at ES) over the course of the season, that usually does not matter, no matter how much Flames fans want to pretend otherwise.
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04-10-2015, 11:12 AM
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#32
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Farm Team Player
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Key players like Doughty and Kopitar playing about 350 games the last three calendar years with both the WC and Olympics. That equals 3 games a week, which is about regular season pace, for three straight years in (on?) average. This along with Kings psychical style of play might result in a really fatigued team and a reason for them missing the playoffs.
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04-10-2015, 11:18 AM
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#33
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Didn't the Kings only win about 3 of 18 games they took to overtime?
If that's right, they got 6 points less from those games than average, enough to cost them a spot.
But I think the real reason they missed is that they're just tired. 3 long seasons in a row, knowing how hard it is to get back to the finals, I don't think they had the same heart for it this year.
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04-10-2015, 11:19 AM
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#34
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Franchise Player
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I suspect the Kings will be a bubble team again next year. Their players aren't getting any younger, they have cap issues, Richards is done in this league...Brown is nowhere near the player he once was.
heck they were a bubble team the first time they won the cup, if the Flames could have won a shootout to save their lives that year they would have missed
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04-10-2015, 11:22 AM
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#35
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Couldn't score goals.
Which led to an unusual amount of 1 goal and OT games.
That they happened to lose the majority of.
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04-10-2015, 11:24 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Nachodamus.
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You wanna see funny? Go check out the super 16 on nhl.com. The have the Kings in 10th right now. RIGHT NOW. AFTER last night's games.
I was crying I was laughing so hard reading that tripe. Some advance stats guys just refuse to look beyond their excel sheets.
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04-10-2015, 11:24 AM
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#37
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke
So Sayeth Jiri Hudler, The Kingslayer.
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His 2014/15 shooting % now sits at 19.6% - the Czech Assassin!
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04-10-2015, 11:26 AM
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#38
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In the Sin Bin
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Not just that they couldn't score goals, but that they were a hot mess on the road in the first half of the season. They turned it around for a while, but going 0-4-1 in their last five road games sealed it. That points to the common argument that they just didn't have that extra gear this year. The Kings couldn't get pumped on their own - they needed their crowd to bring that energy for them.
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04-10-2015, 11:33 AM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sylvan Lake
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Will Corsihockeyleague clear up this question?
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04-10-2015, 11:34 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Calgary - Transplanted Manitoban
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Kings missed the Playoffs? Of Corsi they did!
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