[Trade] Flames trade Baertschi to VAN for a 2015 2nd round pick (Baertschi requested trade)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by BCF

Not only that but Bennings love of prospects. I just don't think that anyone should unreasonably say the Canucks lack depth.

From what I've read and seen from the boards Sven and Jake Virtanen were ripping it up in Utica while Kenins play has dropped considerably, which helped make this decision for them.

Virtanen is in Calgary.

So if the Nucks don't lack depth at LW, why are they calling up Baertschi in hopes that he can add some scoring?

Possibly because they are a bit thin at LW?

[Rikster]

Regardless of how his career turns out, the question I'd be asking is where does Burkey get off walking into a new organization and publicly calling out one of its top prospects?...

Seems to me it was more about Feaster than it was about the player...

From the interviews I've seen, Sven has been very professional when asked about the situation in Calgary and feels that Vancouver's puck possession style of play is more suited to his game than the north/south dump and chase game the Flames play...

Back to Burkey, you'd think after all of these years he'd have purchased a filter and learned to keep issues within the organization and regarding draft picks he might be wise to take a moment and look over his draft record while in his previous stops and show the humility that his record demands....

[Heavy Jack]

Haven't commented much on this but im wishing I got that D.Jones #54 jersey for half off instead of the Baertschi #47 jersey /lame complaint

[squiggs96]

I will proudly be wearing my Baertschi retro #47 during the canucks/Jets game today. I hope he scores a hat trick and Vancouver wins, as that helps Calgary's playoff chances. A win for Sven is a win for Calgary today. The jersey fits perfectly.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videocenter/?id=798834

Not going to lie, I'm going to watch this game half because I want a Jets loss and half because I'm curious as to how he does.

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by Rikster

Regardless of how his career turns out, the question I'd be asking is where does Burkey get off walking into a new organization and publicly calling out one of its top prospects?...

Seems to me it was more about Feaster than it was about the player...

From the interviews I've seen, Sven has been very professional when asked about the situation in Calgary and feels that Vancouver's puck possession style of play is more suited to his game than the north/south dump and chase game the Flames play...

Back to Burkey, you'd think after all of these years he'd have purchased a filter and learned to keep issues within the organization and regarding draft picks he might be wise to take a moment and look over his draft record while in his previous stops and show the humility that his record demands....

Wasn't Burke's first task to assess the organization? Everyone knows what Burke is like and how he operates. That is probably the biggest reason ownership brought him in. Why would he keep his opinions to himself? That gets you now where in life. It doesn't matter what Sven says now because players will always say positive things about their new home. They have to not only to get along with your new team but also prepare mentally. No one starts a new job thinking it's going it's going to suck and have success. There is a thread about player interviews and how coached they are so anything said is just that, coached.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Rikster

Regardless of how his career turns out, the question I'd be asking is where does Burkey get off walking into a new organization and publicly calling out one of its top prospects?...

Seems to me it was more about Feaster than it was about the player...

From the interviews I've seen, Sven has been very professional when asked about the situation in Calgary and feels that Vancouver's puck possession style of play is more suited to his game than the north/south dump and chase game the Flames play...

Back to Burkey, you'd think after all of these years he'd have purchased a filter and learned to keep issues within the organization and regarding draft picks he might be wise to take a moment and look over his draft record while in his previous stops and show the humility that his record demands....

Selective memory?

he was asked a direct question and answered it. He was 100% correct in his evaluation as well...which is what he was brought in to do.

As for the 2nd bolded part...name me one thing he has said publicly since he hired a GM to make the decisions and handle the media...id say his filter is just fine.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Rikster

Regardless of how his career turns out, the question I'd be asking is where does Burkey get off walking into a new organization and publicly calling out one of its top prospects?...

Seems to me it was more about Feaster than it was about the player...

From the interviews I've seen, Sven has been very professional when asked about the situation in Calgary and feels that Vancouver's puck possession style of play is more suited to his game than the north/south dump and chase game the Flames play...

Back to Burkey, you'd think after all of these years he'd have purchased a filter and learned to keep issues within the organization and regarding draft picks he might be wise to take a moment and look over his draft record while in his previous stops and show the humility that his record demands....

Burke was hired to come in and give a cold sober assessment of the organization from top to bottom and make necessary changes. You might not like his style, and I'll admit that he doesn't always seem like the most pleasant guy when it comes down to business (I am sure he is a swell guy personally though), but he has a reputation as being one of the best and most experienced managers/executives in hockey and has more experience than probably 90% of his peers. That's where "Burkey gets off" calling out a spoiled brat prospect.

The interviews with Baertschi seem quite open to interpretation I guess. Just about every time he opened his mouth, I got the feeling his attitude, mental fortitude and commitment were poor for an NHL prospect. It's not that he seemed like a "bad" guy, but like a guy that wanted/expected things to come easy and would become easily discouraged. Probably a great guy to be buddies with, but not someone you want working for you. It's funny how two people can listen to the same interview and get a totally different view. In the end, the organization seems to agree that he isn't cut out for the Flames and the type of characters we want around the team. I also trust that they have access to a lot more information that what the fans heard in interviews.

Maybe he will turn it around with the Canucks, but it wasn't going to happen here. You can't fast track a guy that isn't giving 100% when you have guys like Bouma, Granlund, Gaudreau and Poirier all moving past him. The Canucks currently have a shallower prospect base, so they will have the luxury to coddle him in the morning and swaddle him at night, which for Baertschi's sake, is probably what he needs.

[Rikster]

he was asked a direct question and answered it. He was 100% correct in his evaluation as well...which is what he was brought in to do.

In my opinion it was an answer with an agenda and as I suggested in my original post the agenda was aimed at Feaster...

Speaking about learning to play 3 zones, how is that going for some of the players Burkey drafted or traded for in Toronto?

There was little upside to his comments and more downside and for as much many Canuck fans disliked Gillis at least he had the common sense to keep his true feelings for his problem child Cody Hodgson out of the public domain until after he was dealt....

[BCF]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Virtanen is in Calgary.

So if the Nucks don't lack depth at LW, why are they calling up Baertschi in hopes that he can add some scoring?

Possibly because they are a bit thin at LW?

Yep had shinkaruk and virtanen mixed up. Point being both playing well.

But I do t buy that argument simply because coaches will play who they think is better for their system not necessarily the better player. Baertschi was in that situation.

[Roof-Daddy]

As long as the Flames go onto build a Cup contending team, it won't matter one bit how Sven does with the Canucks.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Rikster

he was asked a direct question and answered it. He was 100% correct in his evaluation as well...which is what he was brought in to do.

In my opinion it was an answer with an agenda and as I suggested in my original post the agenda was aimed at Feaster...

Speaking about learning to play 3 zones, how is that going for some of the players Burkey drafted or traded for in Toronto?

There was little upside to his comments and more downside and for as much many Canuck fans disliked Gillis at least he had the common sense to keep his true feelings for his problem child Cody Hodgson out of the public domain until after he was dealt....

IMO, if all it takes to unhinge Baertschi's game is a few comments like that, then it shows he's got a pretty weak mental game. Sure, you can say he's young, but eventually he should have learned to adapt, and not continue to wallow in self pity. Get upset, and prove Burke wrong. Don't confirm it by sucking.

[Enoch Root]

with respect to Burke and how the Flames 'treated' Baertschi...

First of all, yes, people are different and need to be handled differently - some need a kick while others respond better to a hug.

That being a given, the fact of the matter is that no one - no leader, no coach, no boss, no teacher - handles everyone well. Humans don't work that way. There will always be some failures, no matter how good a person is at managing people.

Now to Burke... He came in and established a culture. He wants the team to have certain standards and a certain management style. Treliving and Hartley buy into that system/style and manage the team accordingly.

They (Hartley in particular) treated all of the prospects the same way. They treated them fairly. Baertschi was a failure of that style. So be it.

In the long run, a franchise has to have an identity. One aspect of successful management is consistency. And we are getting that.

If it didn't work for Baertschi, too bad. There are many prospects in the system that passed him, and time was up, so you move on.

For anyone that is mad at the organization, or at Burke, over the Basertschi situation, the fact of the matter is that the team has an identity and a management style now. And it is a good one. There will always be guys for whom it doesn't fit, but over time, the important thing is the consistency and commitment to the plan.

That is the best way (only way) to be successful. Look at teams that have long track records of success - they stick to what they are and who they are. No teams is successful with every player, but good teams stick to their system and have success with enough players to keep things rolling.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I can't believe people are surprised, or care, Baertschi is getting a call up. The Canucks need to evaluate him and see where he is as a player before the end of the season, same as the Flames are doing with Shore. The Canucks need to sign Baertschi to his next contract and they will need to keep him or risk losing him for nothing in waivers next fall. There is nothing but risk here for the Canucks. If he comes in and doesn't impress, then what? The Canucks have just given away a 2nd round pick for the late season promise of a player who has not shown the capacity to excel at even the AHL level.

You look at the top teams in the league right now and they have something the Flames are sorely lacking. Size and speed. Baertschi really has neither. He is a player that doesn't play any bigger than the size in your program and he doesn't have anything more than average speed. He is also very weak on the puck and loses way more puck battles than he wins, so I question how he is going to survive in the Canucks system? A team that cycles as much as vancouver needs guys that can protect the puck along the wall and take some punishment to hold onto the puck. That isn't Baertschi. I still have no idea what the Canucks saw to make them want to trade a 2nd round pick for this kid, but thank you for doing so.

On the Flames size and speed needs, this is one place where Shore is invaluable. He's big and can skate. He is something the Flames need in the lineup and an area where they can continue to improve. The thing that I liked hearing about Shore was the number of teams that called about him at the deadline. If what was talked about was true, Shore was the number one guy other teams were calling about. The writing is on the wall and every team knows what you need to succeed. You need more Shores and less Baertschis. Good on Treliving for grabbing what we need and dumping what we don't.

[Roughneck]

Isn't Baertschi waiver eligible next season regardless?

[Erick Estrada]

Since Canucks prospects are a hot topic amongst Flames fans it has to be worrisome for Canucks fans that Virtanen and Shinkaruk have both had disappointing seasons.

[Hockey]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Since Canucks prospects are a hot topic amongst Flames fans it has to be worrisome for Canucks fans that Virtanen and Shinkaruk have both had disappointing seasons.

Ever since Shinkaruk was put in a top 6 role in Utica he has scored in 6 straight games. So maybe he shouldn't be put in a bottom 6 role. I still think he is a few years away from being an impact player if he does become one at all. I can't predict the future so I have no idea if any of the prospects we have will busts or solid NHLers. History definitely isn't on our side.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Isn't Baertschi waiver eligible next season regardless?

Yes. He has to either make the Canucks out of camp next year, or they'll risk losing him on waivers. Their only other option will be to trade him for whatever they can get like the Leafs did with Colborne.

This is another reason that Flames fans shouldn't be concerned about trading him. A second-rounder in 2015 is likely better than what they'd be offered in October by a team trying to take advantage of a desperate GM.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hockey

Ever since Shinkaruk was put in a top 6 role in Utica he has scored in 6 straight games. So maybe he shouldn't be put in a bottom 6 role. I still think he is a few years away from being an impact player if he does become one at all. I can't predict the future so I have no idea if any of the prospects we have will busts or solid NHLers. History definitely isn't on our side.

Well as long as he can mentally handle the fact that his game isn't there yet. As Flames fans know that can be an issue for some prospects.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

IMO, if all it takes to unhinge Baertschi's game is a few comments like that, then it shows he's got a pretty weak mental game. Sure, you can say he's young, but eventually he should have learned to adapt, and not continue to wallow in self pity. Get upset, and prove Burke wrong. Don't confirm it by sucking.

I agree wholeheartedly. I've been wondering when someone would put it like that. I think the scouting staff has been given the mandate to draft players with character these days, and we are starting to see the results. Sven might make it as a complimentary player, but you can't have too many guys like that in your organization if you want to build a winner. We are talking about the best league in the world-its a dream of millions of kids to make it to that level. If your entire career can be completely derailed by a few criticisms, then IMO you lack the kind of character we are looking for.