Calder Trophy Race: Johnny Gaudreau v Filip Forsberg & Ekblad too - Page 10 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

getbak · 03-20-2015, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

Selke and Bouma? Nooo.

He's tied for 6th overall for most blocks by a forward.

He is 6th overall for most hits by a forward.

He's tied for second on the team in forwards +/- and 4th on the team in both goals and points by a forward (behind the big-3).

He'll never win, or likely ever get considered for the Selke, but it's hard to argue that he's not the Flames best defensive forward.

PeteMoss · 03-20-2015, 07:03 AM

Selke winners are virtually always centres.

DionTheDman · 03-20-2015, 07:13 AM

I must've missed it early on, but what has Glenn Healy been saying (or not saying) about Johnny?

MelBridgeman · 03-20-2015, 01:13 PM

Great season but i think his advanced age keeps him from winning.

Ekblad can play at 18 (defence too)

You could never imagine Johnny playing in the NHL at 18....

troutman · 03-20-2015, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Selke winners are virtually always east of the Mississippi.

fyp

flames_fan_down_under · 03-20-2015, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Great season but i think his advanced age keeps him from winning.

Ekblad can play at 18 (defence too)

You could never imagine Johnny playing in the NHL at 18....

A 6' 4" 216 pound 18 year old. Not trying to diminish what Ekblad has done but having that physical make up at 18 is pretty incredible.

GioforPM · 03-20-2015, 01:25 PM

http://www.defendingbigd.com/2015/3/...ohnny-gaudreau

The Yen Man · 03-20-2015, 01:28 PM

If age works in favor of Ekblad, shouldn't size work in favor of Gaudreau? They're both physical attributes that they have no control over, and is supposed to "hinder" how good they are. Is age supposed to be a criteria for Calder consideration? If not, it seems terribly biased to give it to someone just because they're younger.

I don't understand how Ekblad keeps being the favorite when Klingberg has better stats than him in less games played.

skudr248 · 03-20-2015, 01:34 PM

and he still will grow ... nutty!

GioforPM · 03-20-2015, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Yen Man

If age works in favor of Ekblad, shouldn't size work in favor of Gaudreau? They're both physical attributes that they have no control over, and is supposed to "hinder" how good they are. Is age supposed to be a criteria for Calder consideration? If not, it seems terribly biased to give it to someone just because they're younger.

I don't understand how Ekblad keeps being the favorite when Klingberg has better stats than him in less games played.

Ekblad has the draft position cachet. PLus, if the age factor plays at all, it works the most against Klingberg.

I'd say the emergence of Klingberg helps Johnny, because there is little other than age to differentiate him and Ekblad, who I now consider to be Johnny's biggest rival (as long as Johnny stays ahead of Forsberg in points).

In other words - I see the only difference between Johnny and Forsberg being points, so whoever is higher has the edge. Johnny was in tough against Ekblad because of difficulty of position (although Ekblad is sheltered more than Johnny). With Klingberg potentially splitting the "he plays defence which is tougher" vote, Johnny's chances go up.

Oling_Roachinen · 03-20-2015, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Is age supposed to be a criteria for Calder consideration?

The Calder is supposed to be awarded to the best player playing his first year in the NHL. Age should only be used to determine eligibility.

But, as is the case for a bunch of the awards, it's not so clear cut. The Hart debate about whether it should go to the MVP of a team or the best player, whether a player on non-playoff team should be qualified. The Norris requirement of being extremely high end offensively at this point etc. There's apparently some wiggle room with the criteria.

The thing is, the media votes on the award and we've seen time and time again this year them (them being often times members of the PHWA who vote) bring up his age as a consideration. It may technically not suppose to matter, it will be a factor though.

heep223 · 03-20-2015, 01:46 PM

The bottom line here, and it's been mentioned in this thread I'm sure, is that if the Flames make the playoffs and Johnny stays hot for the rest of the year he's going to win the Calder. And Hartley will win the Jack Adams.

AcGold · 03-20-2015, 01:51 PM

You guys are nuts. No way Ekblad wins over Johnny if we make the playoffs and he has the points lead. A little bit of trying to be unbiased but Johnny has to be the frontrunner at the moment. If he keeps it up it's a lock.

killer_carlson · 03-20-2015, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Backlund by far.

not sure I agree.

Standard Backlund assessment - had he been healthy. If he played the entire season he's the guy. But he doesn't. So is there someone else who matches against the opposing top lines and neutralizes them?

I think it's Monahan this year.

JohnnySkittles · 03-20-2015, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Yen Man

If age works in favor of Ekblad, shouldn't size work in favor of Gaudreau? They're both physical attributes that they have no control over, and is supposed to "hinder" how good they are. Is age supposed to be a criteria for Calder consideration? If not, it seems terribly biased to give it to someone just because they're younger.

I don't understand how Ekblad keeps being the favorite when Klingberg has better stats than him in less games played.

Because points aren't everything. Ekblad is a rock on defense for Florida.

Fighting Banana Slug · 03-20-2015, 02:06 PM

Both Johnny and Eckblad are compelling candidates. Neither is a "lock" and neither should feel they were robbed if it goes to the other (or Forsberg or Klingberg, for that matter).
I was PO'd when Iggy lost the Hart to the Hab's whatshisname. I really thought there was an eastern bias in that one, but I doubt Ekblad would win as a result of that type of bias.

The Yen Man · 03-20-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

Because points aren't everything. Ekblad is a rock on defense for Florida.

Is Klingberg bad on defence compared to Ekblad then? I don't watch either player, but their TOI is pretty much the same (around 21-22 min). +/- is also about the same. So is Ekblad somehow far superior to Klingberg on defence that the stats aren't showing? Both teams are outside of the playoffs, so I would assume intangibles are about the same as well. Both players also don't have an all star dman they're partnered up with.

Flashpoint · 03-20-2015, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I really thought there was an eastern bias in that one, but I doubt Ekblad would win as a result of that type of bias.

One of the Mtl voters didn't give Iginla a top 5 vote, which led to the tie. It was a fiasco.

Imported_Aussie · 03-20-2015, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

Because points aren't everything. Ekblad is a rock on defense for Florida.

Klingberg has significantly less O-Zone starts than Ekblad. I haven't watched enough of either of them to say who is better defensively, but that says something

GioforPM · 03-20-2015, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Is Klingberg bad on defence compared to Ekblad then? I don't watch either player, but their TOI is pretty much the same (around 21-22 min). +/- is also about the same. So is Ekblad somehow far superior to Klingberg on defence that the stats aren't showing? Both teams are outside of the playoffs, so I would assume intangibles are about the same as well. Both players also don't have an all star dman they're partnered up with.

The article I posted suggests Klingberg is the superior player defensively, as far as quality of opposition, etc. But it's a Klingberg-favorable article.