One of the first beheadings back in Iraq at the outset went badly wrong for AQ in Iraq, they had an Italian security guard who, when he realized what was about to happen, started shouting 'see how a man can die, vive Italia' or words to that effect, then managed to get up and give one of the guys a good boot, I think they ended up shooting him, as they couldn't control the guy.
They went to taped executions after that.
This happened? Wow, didn't know that. Interesting.
It's not entirely that simple. As was noted in the other thread which includes a very good article about the apocalyptic roots of this crisis, there is a theological point of manipulation here that transcends crazy. Perfectly sane people will feel obligation to duty if they perceive a well founded theological warrant for it. When al-Baghdadi proclaimed a Caliphate in Mosul, this created precisely the sort of theological imperative that would be impossible for a great number of Salafi Muslims to simply ignore.
Well too bad for all of us then if they can be convinced by ancient books to cut someone's head off. I read that article and they certainly do seem to have some old reasons to do this. Doesn't mean those old reasons aren't downright crazy in the modern world. Killing someone because they don't follow a religion is crazy no matter how much 'justification' the killer can read in the source material.
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It's pretty arrogant to assume that you—unlike probably every member of the human race—are immune to "manipulation by criminals."
I don't think I said I'm immune – though I'm getting pretty long in the tooth and it ain't happened yet. I'm very confident a criminal gang hasn't got me pegged as their next recruit, and I can guarantee I won't ever be roped into an apocalyptic cult of murdering lunatics.
I don't know how that's arrogance. 99% of the people in the world are the same way, luckily.
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Individuals in these situations are not on their own dangerous. They are dangerous only as part of the movement. If you remove them from the movement, or if you remove the threat of the movement, then I am convinced that the vast majority of these people go back to their mundane existence.
What leads you to that conclusion? Seems that someone who can be convinced to leave Canada to get on board with this "movement" is a pretty good candidate to be convinced to do almost anything. Clearly, the critical thinking skills are non-existent, and they are remarkably credulous.
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I'm not sure one can fully comprehend this unless he has been part of a fundamentalist religious movement.
No probably not. I don't know if it's necessary to fully comprehend what it's like though, really. I can watch a video, if I so choose, of this particular bunch burning a man alive in a cage. That brings about some understanding, even if I've never been a fanatic don't know the backstory from the book they use to justify it, or the psychological or sociological reasons it happens.
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This happened? Wow, didn't know that. Interesting.
Fabrizio Quattrocchi (9 May 1968 – 14 April 2004) was an Italian security officer taken hostage by Islamist militants in Iraq, notable for his defiance of captors shortly before being killed. He was born in Catania, Sicily
He was taken hostage together with Umberto Cupertino, Maurizio Agliana and Salvatore Stefio. They worked in Iraq as security contractors. Quattrocchi's kidnappers forced him to dig his own grave and kneel beside it wearing a hood as they prepared to film his death, but he defied them by trying to pull off the hood and shouting "Vi faccio vedere come muore un Italiano!" - "I'll show you how an Italian dies!" He was then shot in the back of the neck.
On 20 March 2006, Quattrocchi was posthumously honored by the Italian president Carlo Azeglio Ciampi with the Gold Medal for Civil Valor, after a proposal by the Home Secretary Giuseppe Pisanu.
For the Gold Medal for Civil Valor to be awarded, one act of specific Valor is necessary, and that phrase, "vi faccio vedere come muore un italiano!" — "I'll show you how an Italian dies!" was considered to be of high significance, despite the unclear circumstances of Quattrocchi's presence in Iraq.
Pulled from Wiki, I thought he got in more of a fight but a ballsy guy by any reckoning.
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The families of the missing east London schoolgirls who traveled to Syria to join Islamic State (IS) said today that UK police "let them walk out," as it has emerged that officers spoke to the teenagers twice before their disappearance — without their parents' knowledge or permission.
Kadiza Sultana, 16, and 15-year-olds Shamima Begum, and Amira Abase are believed to have traveled to Syria to join IS. Their disappearance was announced on February 20.
The three teens were informally questioned by London's Metropolitan Police in December and February at Bethnal Green Academy about a fourth schoolmate who had traveled to Syria separately — but neither the school nor the police informed the girls' parents.
"We were undermined as a family," said Abase Hussen, the father of Amira Abase.
A Canadian soldier based in Petawawa, Ont., has been killed by friendly fire in Iraq.
Sgt. Andrew Joseph Doiron from the Canadian Special Operations Regiment, based at Garrison Petawawa, was killed on Friday around 3:50 p.m. ET, according to a news release from the Canadian Forces.
The release said Doiron was killed in a friendly fire incident.
"Members of the Special Operations Forces were mistakenly engaged by Iraqi Kurdish forces following their return to an observation post behind the front lines," the release stated.
Three other soldiers were injured and were being treated in Iraq, the release added. Defence Minister Jason Kenney also released a statement confirming the three soldiers were in stable condition.
Unfortunate accident, thoughts go out to all those affected. Also hoping for a speedy recovery for those that were injured. Reminds me a bit of the Tarnak Farm friendly fire incident at the start of our involvement in Afghanistan.
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One veteran told the paper: “I and several colleagues all ex-armed forces have formed a small unit which is open for any English speaking individuals from any nation. We will be in Syria within weeks and are training everyday. We intend to submit our skills to the people of Kurdistan.
“Although we wear a similar uniform to UK armed forces, we have no association to them other then the fact that we are ex-armed forces. Our cap badge is lightning crossed by a sword, Cita et Certa - Swift and Sure. We will deploy a strong force to aid the Kurdish militias. We intend to work as one effective, rather than split or tag onto other militia units.
“We intend to be a serious asset.”
On a side note I wonder if this will be come the new Rhodesia, a gathering place for mercenaires and other adventure seekers. Certainly, after Iraq and Afghanistan there is no lack of individuals that might be struggling to slip back into civie life.
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I've got some pics I took today. When I get back to camp later on where the wifi is better, I will try to upload them. They are nothing special. I don't want to take any pics of our camp or facility because of the strong presence of ISIS on the internet. No point giving them easy access to facility or camp layouts.
I do have some pics of the country side and some wild dogs and locals and puppies that we found today though. haha.
Was thinking of you the other day, always enjoyed your updates...
I think it is a sad day when even the President of the US refuses to acknowledge that religion is a factor in these conflicts, and that anybody who says Islam badly needs to reform gets labelled an islamophope
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Captain Crunch had a post earlier on explaining how the best way to fight ISIS was to kill the leaders, then kill the replacements. This seems to be exactly what the US is doing
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"Islam was never a religion of peace. Islam is the religion of fighting," he said. "No one should believe that the war that we are waging is the war of the Islamic State. It is the war of all Muslims, but the Islamic State is spearheading it. It is the war of Muslims against infidels."
"O Muslims go to war everywhere. It is the duty of every Muslim,"
Every leader at every mosque around the world needs to publicly denounce this freaks words before stupidity sets in.
The problem is that he's kind of right, if you read the actual text he's relying on. Guys like that Reza Aslan who was posted earlier try to muddy the waters by insisting that violence has nothing to do with Islam... but Islam preaches violence in certain situations (much like other religions; the only "religion of peace" I'm aware of is Jainism), and there is a straight line from the texts to this behaviour. The main issue is that the religion itself needs a reformation, and the entire concept of jihad needs to be discarded as a relic of a former era by Islam.
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