How Screwed are the Flames?

[polak]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Calgary has one of the highest OSh%'s in the league. They are simply getting scoring at opportune times despite getting trounced in corsi-events. Colorado and the Leafs did it with good goaltending, the Flames are doing it with an aberrative shooting %.

Do you think it's impossible to be successful long term without high possesion numbers?

If so you should tell that to the the Penguins who won the cup and made the finals with under 50% Corsi. Why is it so hard to believe that a team that has weak cycling can build a system to be successful in other ways?

[justafan]

Refuse to read. Hack.

[Inglewood Jack]

do all the other sites on the Nation network have their own Lambert? cause if we're the only fanbase stuck with this legendary hack troll, then that's just not fair.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by polak

Do you think it's impossible to be successful long term without high possesion numbers?

If so you should tell that to the the Penguins who won the cup and made the finals with under 50% Corsi. Why is it so hard to believe that a team that has weak cycling can build a system to be successful in other ways?

Using an exception to try and disqualify something isn't very wise.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Using an exception to try and disqualify something isn't very wise.

How about (multiple) exception(s) and the measly .3 correlation that Corsi has of predicting points?

[HotHotHeat]

Does CP have rules against posting links that are re-directs to the entire article's content? Just so we don't help this guy out in hits.... There has to be a way.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Reading Lambert's continual whining and squirming with respect to the Flames' success this year is like a dollop of ice cream on the big, beautiful slice of pie that this season has become.

Lambert goes with the "continual whining and squirming" because people keep reading. First and foremost, Lambert's job is to draw eyeballs to the banner ads on Yahoo. He doesn't care if being a troll is what gets him there, so as long as that works for him, he will continue.

Much like the other troll in this thread, Lambert is best ignored.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

do all the other sites on the Nation network have their own Lambert? cause if we're the only fanbase stuck with this legendary hack troll, then that's just not fair.

If the comment threads on the nation network are any indication, probably. There are some very good writers on Flamesnation, but there is also just too much raw sewage to make it worthwhile.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by sharkov

Ryan lambert is a twat

Originally Posted by Anduril

I'd prefer we shut this thread down and not even give Lambert the benefit of attention.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The biggest problem with the Internet is it gives absolute idiots a platform to drool from.

Originally Posted by Savvy27

I stopped visiting Flamesnation after they posted a few of his articles. He contributes nothing other than digital pollution.

Originally Posted by New Era

Time to jihad this motherfugger! I'm talking old school Jeff Gordon public shaming type of jihad! Whose in?

This thread is hilariously defensive. He says nothing demonstrably wrong, per se, just does so in an extreme way (the Flames' shortcomings are HORRIBAD AWFUL and Gio / Brodie are THE BEST EVER, which is done for effect and to attract attention, successfully), and in response, everyone basically wants to burn the witch... not for any real reason, but because he doesn't think the local team is good.

[Imported_Aussie]

Summary for those who don't want to click.
Giordano + Brodie good
Brodie by himself OK
Flames bad before, now with Giordano, are double extra secret probation bad
Why won't they start losing to prove my point
LOL Flames = Leafs, trust me guyz...

Poorly written, clutching onto limited statistics, completely slanted piece.

This is what separates a blogger (Lambert) from a journalist (Friedman, LeBrun, etc.)
Basically a troll post with stats added for "credibility"


You can post stats and make an argument. Then there is a slam piece that makes no attempt to interpret results and see what other factors could be leading to success.

Advanced stats are like a religion - some good people believe in them and can articulate that belief and be reasonable people. But then you get a lot of ignorant people who use this "perfect" idea to back their position and screw anyone who disagrees

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This thread is hilariously defensive. He says nothing demonstrably wrong, per se, just does so in an extreme way (the Flames' shortcomings are HORRIBAD AWFUL and Gio / Brodie are THE BEST EVER), and in response, everyone basically wants to burn the witch... not for any real reason, but because he doesn't think the local team is good.

That's not actually true. He trolls the fans for page clicks by calling them lucky. If every result that goes against corsi is due simply to puck luck, then there's a lot of lucky teams. He simply doesn't understand how to use the numbers he finds, and explains anything contrary as "puck luck".

It's clearly a troll attempt and it works

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This thread is hilariously defensive. He says nothing demonstrably wrong, per se, just does so in an extreme way (the Flames' shortcomings are HORRIBAD AWFUL and Gio / Brodie are THE BEST EVER, which is done for effect and to attract attention, successfully), and in response, everyone basically wants to burn the witch... not for any real reason, but because he doesn't think the local team is good.

You are intelligent enough to understand why people are taking a dim view of such blatant trolling.

It is also about the fifth time this season that Lambert has written pretty much the exact same article. Personally, I think the mods should just lock every thread that uses Lambert as a starting point until such time as he provides new material.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

That was really hard to read.

In case Ryan is eyeing this thread, I greatly recommend this vital book:

On Writing Well by William Zinsser

It is an indispensable resource to ensure clarity of message.

Kind of what I was thinking as well. It's not just his topic, which grates on me to no end, but his writing style is worse than a high school student's. Reeks of immaturity.

I'm not so sensitive to not be able to read a well thought out, unbiased article detailing the shortcomings of my team, but at no point does he write anything that is convincing in any way.

Just another journalism school flunky who has landed in the world of blogs.

[Stay Golden]

It is hard to believe yahoo employs this simpleton.
Lambert is a bias unprofessional hack.
Wherever he received his journalist degree from should be embarrassed.
Yahoo's puck daddy department lacks a great amount of credibility allowing a shrew like this slime his verbal diarrhea through their editing department.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by polak

If so you should tell that to the the Penguins who won the cup and made the finals with under 50% Corsi. Why is it so hard to believe that a team that has weak cycling can build a system to be successful in other ways?

You absolutely can. It's just hard. In the Penguins' case, it requires having the two best hockey players on Earth, and to the extent they haven't been successful since, a lot of it has to do with how weak the rest of the roster is. Can't play those guys 60 minutes.

In other teams' cases, e.g. MTL this year, it requires world-class goaltending, or a massive difference between PK GA and PP GF (usually this also has something to do with goaltending).

In an ideal world, you want to give your team every chance to win. Hence, since it's really pretty hard to get the best players in the world (if "just draft Crosby" was a strategy the Oilers would have done it already), and it can be hard to get goaltending good enough for long enough to have the guy carry your team on his back. So, it's simply good management to try to get your roster and coaching staff pulling in the direction of puck possession, so you don't need those things to at least be competitive consistently.

I know this is going to fall on deaf ears and your question will be raised again, but that's the way it goes on the internet.

[looooob]

hmm well there are obviously some deficiencies with the Flames as currently constructed, this shouldn't be a surprise as they have one of the leagues lowest payrolls, essentially came into the season pegged for last place and recently are running lineups that have 4-6 rookie forwards. the bottom pairing was already weak and now things are worse. so this is not a surprise

still the team is succeeding. some of it is luck yes, for sure it is. much of it was Gio , no doubt. but there are lots of great stories this year and its been fun to watch we shouldn't feel bad for that

the key is always- what does management think? in the case of Colorado and the previous regime of the Leafs you got the sense that their 'braintrust' felt everything was great; here when I listen to our GM , he does acknowledge some of the 'underlying stats' aren't the greatest, the guy was a seller not a buyer at the deadline, so I think he gets it

as Flames fans we can certainly enjoy this unexpected ride , fluke or otherwise , while still hopeful that the team won't bandaid this over but continue to build properly going forward

[sharkov]

I feel guilty for contributing hits to his page by clicking on that link

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It is also about the fifth time this season that Lambert has written pretty much the exact same article. Personally, I think the mods should just lock every thread that uses Lambert as a starting point until such time as he provides new material.

"Dim view" doesn't quite cover it. It's more the reaction you might get if you walked into public in Islamabad and started drawing caricatures of the prophet... minus the actual violence. It's amazing because I don't know that there's any other Canadian fan base that has so vitriolic a reaction to Hockey-Blasphemy as we do here.

Why lock it? If you disagree with something, or if something is downright stupid that's been said, it should be easy enough to point that out. The three pages of responses indicate at least that people are interested in this, if only to shout it down as heresy.

EDIT: by the way, it's a bad article because it provides no new information, I agree with you. The more interesting thing to write about in light of the Gio injury would be the viability of a team strategy based on having a huge gap in talent between your top pairing and bottom four, as opposed to having a legitimate top four with no elite players. Given that you play your top guys so often, you might be better off getting elite performance for 27 minutes and struggling along with "bad" for another 14 and "mediocre" for 19. The injury risk is one of the issues with the plan.

[Looch City]

[OutOfTheCube]

From the article:

Brodie played like 40 percent of the 5-on-5 minutes Calgary had

Did a 'professional' journalist just use valley girl speak in their writing?