[CP Story] Flames '15 Deadline Recap

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Based on prices paid today which guys would you have brought in for those prices?

Wisniewski, Petry, maybe Zidlicky. Not sure what else was out there but I am shocked that the blueline was not addressed.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Put me in the disappointed category.

You have a team currently sitting in a playoff spot, with their own destiny in their hands, and they got there through hard work, effort, and sacrifice.

Now the trade deadline is gone, and the team is nothing but weakened for the home stretch - a cruel twist of fate taking Giordano out of the lineup, and the self inflicted excision of Glencross. And to offset this their GM. . . . Picks a guy off of waivers.

To even remotely come close to replacing Giordano's production, at the very minimum we would've had to give up what Tampa did for Coburn, a guy who is no Gio. That would've been stupid.

To replace Glencross, we would've had to give up the very picks that we traded for. That would've been redundant.

I don't really see what Treliving could've done today for the current team, that would've made sense from a big-picture perspective. He was right to stay he course.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Wisniewski, Petry, maybe Zidlicky. Not sure what else was out there but I am shocked that the blueline was not addressed.

Wiz went for basically two seconds. Too much for the Flames to give up given where they are.
Zidlicky at his age isn't an improvement
Oilers probably would have wanted more from the Flames to keep him in the west

[Phil Russell]

What a strange day. As I read the comments of those that are happy with the day's events, and those who are disappointed, I can honestly say that I agree, at least in part, with both opinions. I don't think there was any clear way for the Flames to win this day. Could they have stayed the rebuild course and significantly bolstered the present lineup? I don't think that was possible. What I think they did was manage the day, conservatively in the case of staying the rebuild course, with a dash of waiver-wire present line-up help, and on the riskier front they moved Sven to a rival. I don't know, I like how Treliving handled the day as I don't see that a perfect day of trading was possible. He managed the circumstances well.

[Soliak]

I think we did very well considering the circumstances.

The players have fought hard all year and if Gio didn't go down with injury I believe there would of been quite a bit of pressure on management to make a deal. Considering the prices this deadline, I honestly can't see a deal that could be made without us giving up significant assets. People forget how early we are into a rebuild. Leasing our futures for this year and next year just isn't smart IMO. Instead we have a cupboard full of picks, prospects coming through and didn't hurt team morale by going into tank mode. It's close to a best case scenario.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Wiz went for basically two seconds. Too much for the Flames to give up given where they are.
Zidlicky at his age isn't an improvement
Oilers probably would have wanted more from the Flames to keep him in the west

Wisniewski for a 2nd or 3rd and Baertschi. I'm guessing something like that was doable because it's similar to what Anaheim gave. It's great having so many draft picks this year, but having 3-4 instead of 5 and giving a more legit go this season would have been nice. And it isn't like there are a ton of great options after the top 4 dmen going forward with not much waiting in the wings. Had the cap space too.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Wiz went for basically two seconds. Too much for the Flames to give up given where they are.
Zidlicky at his age isn't an improvement
Oilers probably would have wanted more from the Flames to keep him in the west

Based on the prices, it's a huge relief Calgary didn't trade to address the defensive hole.

Can't understate how huge the return is for Baertschi.

This is how you jumpstart a rebuild.

[belsarius]

Great deadline overall. Market prices were way too high for rentals. I could see giving up a couple guys if there was at least another year term but most of the movement was UFAs and a rebuilding team sending draft picks for 2 months rentals is just poor asset management. I get that some help was needed, but I think the stronger message today was the guys on the team now, and the guys playing in the AHL are who management believes in and wants to move forward with, not another overpriced mercenary.

[The Yen Man]

Edit: Whoops, wrong thread...

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Mike F

So, when I see the Flames having 15, 45, 48, 50, 75, and 80 in the upcoming draft, it says to me that there was room to make a move to reward the guys in the room now without jeopardizing what they're trying to build.

My gut says that was their plan all along but the guys there were after went for so much higher than the proceeds they garnered from the Glencross trade that they had to walk away.

Just guessing though.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Wisniewski for a 2nd or 3rd and Baertschi. I'm guessing something like that was doable because it's similar to what Anaheim gave. It's great having so many draft picks this year, but having 3-4 instead of 5 and giving a more legit go this season would have been nice. And it isn't like there are a ton of great options after the top 4 dmen going forward with not much waiting in the wings. Had the cap space too.

Perhaps. It really would hinge on how CBJ felt about Sven - which is an unknown. When you start putting prospects in there it becomes tougher to guess scenarios because for all we know the Flames had that deal on the table, but CBJ preferred Karlsson over Sven.

[dissentowner]

wrong thread

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Wisniewski for a 2nd or 3rd and Baertschi. I'm guessing something like that was doable because it's similar to what Anaheim gave. It's great having so many draft picks this year, but having 3-4 instead of 5 and giving a more legit go this season would have been nice. And it isn't like there are a ton of great options after the top 4 dmen going forward with not much waiting in the wings. Had the cap space too.

Even if that was a trade that Calgary wanted, he had a 10 team tradable list so I doubt Calgary was even on it.

The cloak and dagger on Giordano tells me Calgary was in on a defenseman and with the Coyotes following them around and the team in Philly I'm pretty sure they helped drive the price up on both Yandle and Coburn before bowing out.

I'm guessing they were trying to do what you wanted but decided to fold when the bids got too high.

[Northendzone]

Bingo, part of me is surprised that you would say that treliving had a great week when the week involved trading Sven

[browna]

We'll never know...if Gio's news wasn't so dire, I'd be overall disappointed that Treliving didn't do enough to give the roster a skill/mental boost to make a refreshed push to gain a couple points on the teams above them.

But, as is with Gio's devastating injury, playoffs are a lot longer of a long shot, and you can't replace those offensive instincts that Gio had and displayed this year.

So in the end, decent value for Glencross (and good for him to waive, I don't think Washington was ever on his list). Nice to get Schlemko for no assets, and the great return for a guy who the coach didn't like and who was very unlikely to play any more of a role here then he has the last 3 years, in Sven.

With the rumors that Treliving was looking for contracts to take over (I heard rumors about Pronger from PHI) and an asset to take that on, I think he didn't leave much unturned.

With cap space, an exciting team this year, along with a repaired organizational reputation, I think the Flames can be bigger players in the UFA market. Also, with a lot of draft picks, they can acquire players that way as well.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Wisniewski, Petry, maybe Zidlicky. Not sure what else was out there but I am shocked that the blueline was not addressed.

I would suggest that Treliving did try to address the blueline problem and most likely found that the prices were too high.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

Bingo, part of me is surprised that you would say that treliving had a great week when the week involved trading Sven

The waiver thing had me assuming this was inevitable in camp next year. I just don't see Sven beating out all takes to be one of four top six wingers. Too steep a hill.

Its a good problem to have I guess

Better to sort it out now and have the asset for the draft.

[GioforPM]

Sven only plays left as well, while some of the other guys can play both wings or wing and centre. Sven was in tough on his team next year. I don't think he could have displaced anyone in the top 4 wingers.

Overall I think Treliving did really well considering what the overall goal is. The 2015 draft is going to be huge. He will essentially be looking to fill out the whole team.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Bingo

My gut says that was their plan all along but the guys there were after went for so much higher than the proceeds they garnered from the Glencross trade that they had to walk away.

Just guessing though.

Well, if that was their plan, then they're likely disappointed as I am.

Which means I'm right

Beyond that, calgARI summed up my thoughts.

[Enoch Root]

I am happy that they stood pat and accumulated picks.

Yes the team has been incredible this year and thus deserved support. However, with Giordano down, and with the asinine price of good defensive assets, it would have been beyond foolish to chase that rainbow.

And in the end, would adding a guy like Wiz or Coburn make any real difference to their chances this year? I highly doubt it.

But more than that, I keep coming back to the idea that the best thing for this team is to make their run at the playoffs - successful or not - with their own players and their own prospects. Send them out there and see what they can do!

In all likelihood, they won't make the playoffs. But that wouldn't have changed if they had paid a king's ransom and got another defenseman.

But they still might find a way. And whether they do or they don't this will have been a massively successful season. The benefit to the development of the young players is undeniable is not diminished by having Treliving stand pat.

I am happy with the picks. And I am happy that they didn't overspend to try to improve. Patience was the best course of action.

Now, let's give the kids a chance to shine!

Oh, one more thing... I have a really good feeling about Schlemko (no idea why, just do).