[Trade] Flames trade Baertschi to VAN for a 2015 2nd round pick (Baertschi requested trade)

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Jbo

I think Utica this year and reunited with his old coach Green.

Next year they have to have him slotted on the 2nd line I think.

Oh my. 2nd line? They either have big expectations for him or their team is going to be hurting next season. Or a bit of both.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Penciling Baertschi in as 2nd line LW? If so, that's one of the weaker left sides in the NHL.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The interesting thing is that their third line center right now is Linden Vey, and no real reason to expect he won't be there next year, too. That's an offensive player in a 3C role - could they play Baertschi next to him, with another guy with some offensive touch, and have an offense-oriented third line to pick up the slack should the Sedins fall off again next season? It's worth considering.

I've often thought that trying to fit players into pre-established roles (i.e. your third line must be defensive grinder physical types, your fourth line must be energy guys) created an undervalued set of players (and in turn a potential opportunity for a GM who's able to exploit it).

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

ya I find predicting stuff like that is kind of futile

a lot of people said last year the Sedins were done, now they are back in the top 20 in scoring

if 4 years ago someone said Edmonton would have 4 more bottom 5 finishes in the next 5 years few would have believed it etc

things change, some prospects fail, others exceed expectations

Regardless of the bounce-back, the Sedins *are* trending down, and top line talent will be an issue for the Canucks in the coming years. As it is now, even with them still producing (barring last season) they've been a middling playoff/first round exit team.

As the Sedins trend down, things get worse. To suggest Vancouver currently as the prospects to compensate for that, and their lack of prospect depth on the back end, adds up to a good chance there is some bottoming out yet to come.

This notion that because they've added some youth without blowing it up that they've avoided a bottom-out rebuild is pretty premature, and you tend to hear this attitude from a lot of Vancouver fans.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Oh my. 2nd line? They either have big expectations for him or their team is going to be hurting next season. Or a bit of both.

I would be surprised if hes on the 2nd line, he would have to earn it

they havent handed any young guys playing time under WD without it being earned

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yeah, every single team in the NHL has about a thousand examples of "wish I had drafted that guy instead". That's just empty prattle.

Except for the fact that basically every player selected from 14-22 in that draft looks better than Jankowski.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The interesting thing is that their third line center right now is Linden Vey, and no real reason to expect he won't be there next year, too. That's an offensive player in a 3C role - could they play Baertschi next to him, with another guy with some offensive touch, and have an offense-oriented third line to pick up the slack should the Sedins fall off again next season? It's worth considering.

I've often thought that trying to fit players into pre-established roles (i.e. your third line must be defensive grinder physical types, your fourth line must be energy guys) created an undervalued set of players (and in turn a potential opportunity for a GM who's able to exploit it).

I think Brendan Gaunce from that same draft is in the same situation in which he can be claimed via waivers if he doesn't make the opening roster. Canucks may have to carry some young players and hope they can play.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think Brendan Gaunce from that same draft is in the same situation in which he can be claimed via waivers if he doesn't make the opening roster. Canucks may have to carry some young players and hope they can play.

Brendan Gaunce isn't from that draft; he's from 2012.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Except for the fact that basically every player selected from 14-22 in that draft looks better than Jankowski.

Do you go out and scout these players personally or just google search stats and draw all conclusions from those?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

they havent handed any young guys playing time under WD without it being earned

That could be a problem as it's the reason he's a Canuck today. That said if he can get some chemistry with a center it's not impossible that he could earn playing time.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Oh my. 2nd line? They either have big expectations for him or their team is going to be hurting next season. Or a bit of both.

Vancouver is really lacking players in Baertschi's age bracket. I think the idea is to 'rebuild on the fly', but we'll see how successful that is.

Their middle 6 forwards aren't a very solid group. Baertschi could have room in there.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Brendan Gaunce isn't from that draft; he's from 2012.

Right my mistake. He must have another year of eligibility then.

[Darkwater]

Don't let the door hit ya, Sven. Good luck but good riddance.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Do you go out and scout these players personally or just google search stats and draw all conclusions from those?

Well he's the only one yet to play in the NHL and there are some pretty solid players in that list. So while some are allowed to have an opinion that Jankowski was a good pick, I'm allowed to have the opinion that there were a lot less risky picks available which I would have preferred to see.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Their middle 6 forwards aren't a very solid group. Baertschi could have room in there.

Like with the Flames he's going to be given an opportunity to impress the coaches in training camp. Maybe this trade lights a fire under him as he just seemed kind of pedestrian when he was playing for the Flames.

[JiriHrdina]

Can we stop debating Janko in this thread? How is it on topic at all?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Well he's the only one yet to play in the NHL and there are some pretty solid players in that list. So while some are allowed to have an opinion that Jankowski was a good pick, I'm allowed to have the opinion that there were a lot less risky picks available which I would have preferred to see.

Super job.

Great to mention it here, and be sure (like the others who hold this radical opinion) you bring it up at every given opportunity whether it's relevant or not.

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Going to Utica but some fans at HF are pencilling him in for 2nd line duty next year.

Slotting him in the 2nd line is not necessarily high praise. This season, it's been the team's weak link especially while Bonino was out.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by T@T

This blows.

Burke is an ass.

Since we're blaming people who have nothing to do with the trade now, I'd just like to step up on this soapbox here and point the finger at Dr. Bill Blair, Team Dentist. Clearly if not for his sub-par dentistry work, Sven would still be a productive member of the Calgary Flames.

[The Yen Man]

Is Sven still eligible for the rookie tournament in Penticton? Gonna be real weird seeing Baertschi in a Nucks uniform in that tournament if he plays.