Treliving will be as aggressive as can be at deadline

[Locke]

Originally Posted by New Era

Semin would be a really good gamble for the Flames right now. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing them try to inject another skill guy with scoring ability into the lineup. We need an experienced guy that knows how to use open ice and comes at a low acquisition cost. Semin fits that bill.

Except he doesnt. If he did, Carolina wouldnt be buying the first bus ticket out of town.

The guy's got 2 goals this year. For $7M.

All the Flames would get is a little Semin on their sweater.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Locke

Except he doesnt. If he did, Carolina wouldnt be buying the first bus ticket out of town.

The guy's got 2 goals this year. For $7M.

All the Flames would get is a little Semin on their sweater.

Carolina has been horrible this year and Semin has been hurt and in the doghouse all season. I guess Jordan Staal and his 4 goals is just as bad? Look a little deeper into the player than this one year. He's a solid 20-25 goal scorer who can add as many assists. He could very well be a player that just needs a change of scenery. He's also a guy that could be a zero acquisition cost player that could get you an asset back for taking on his contract. Semin and Carrick for Bollig would be a good deal for the Flames. I would even be open to expanding it and doing Semin, Hainsey and Carrick for Bolig, Reinhart/Baertschi, and Cundari. Get a forward with a big cap hit to help us get to the floor, a defenseman to help now and buy another year for our blueline prospects to mature, and an excellent blueline prospect on the right side we really need. For that we don't give up anything we don't already have in the system and still leave the roster numbers at a wash to pursue college free agents and such.

[mkd_087]

Listen, I'm as devoted as others on here when it comes to this team. I would love to see them make it into the playoffs if only for the sheer fact that it shows the naysayers we have what it takes...and to dig it in further to Edmonton. However, I am glad Treliving is being cautious right now. This season has been a delightful surprise.

I know he or any good fan are not going to want to go here...but we have to think about this. If Treliving were to go out and make some bold moves and maybe add a top line forward and maaaaybe a 4/6 D...do we think that is going to be enough to eliminate the likes of Chicago, Anaheim, or LA in seven game series'? I do think the team needs to be given a better chance, but our success is likely going to come from future players and build off of what happened this season.

In the end the silver lining of this season is that the Flames are on the right track. They have expedited what was thought to be a slow rebuild. Give them one..or two more years and they could be a solid playoff contender that, without question, could go toe to toe with the best.

[Stupid]

With the Flames' emphasis on character I cannot see Semin being on our wish lists.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by New Era

Carolina has been horrible this year and Semin has been hurt and in the doghouse all season. I guess Jordan Staal and his 4 goals is just as bad? Look a little deeper into the player than this one year. He's a solid 20-25 goal scorer who can add as many assists. He could very well be a player that just needs a change of scenery. He's also a guy that could be a zero acquisition cost player that could get you an asset back for taking on his contract. Semin and Carrick for Bollig would be a good deal for the Flames. I would even be open to expanding it and doing Semin, Hainsey and Carrick for Bolig, Reinhart/Baertschi, and Cundari. Get a forward with a big cap hit to help us get to the floor, a defenseman to help now and buy another year for our blueline prospects to mature, and an excellent blueline prospect on the right side we really need. For that we don't give up anything we don't already have in the system and still leave the roster numbers at a wash to pursue college free agents and such.

Yeah but for $7M you can get more than Semin, you could get a whole pearl necklace for that kind of money.

[PaperBagger'14]

I heard a rumour that Semin is bad in the dressing room, namely that he clogs showers.

[Harry Lime]

Ron Francis has already stated that he is willing to take on some of Semin's salary in any trade. The actual cost would be in the 4.5M to 5.5M a year range.

[Northendzone]

I'd be fine if the flames stood pat, why make a deal just for the sake of making a deal

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Ron Francis has already stated that he is willing to take on some of Semin's salary in any trade. The actual cost would be in the 4.5M to 5.5M a year range.

I have read that also. The thing is he is willing to eat salary , so he does not have to put in a very good asset for some team to take on Semin. I think "new era" was proposing getting that grade "a" asset in return for taking on Semin and seeing if Semin works out. I'm not sure I would do it , and I definitely would not do it if there was no "grade a" asset coming back in the deal.

[Harry Lime]

Opportunity to clear out some contracts in Raymond, Bollig and Smid that just are not a fit for our system, but still have some value. Also, if another team gets desperate, we still need to look at a championship as the end game, and pillage away.

Anywhere from just Glencross moved, to a restructuring of our bottom 9 and 5-6, I'd still be happy with.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

If you listened to his interview, it was classic GM double speak talk.

Saying one thing but then qualifying it to make the aforementioned statement almost meaningless.

Yeah, that's going to get old really quick in this market.

[868904]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I have read that also. The thing is he is willing to eat salary , so he does not have to put in a very good asset for some team to take on Semin. I think "new era" was proposing getting that grade "a" asset in return for taking on Semin and seeing if Semin works out. I'm not sure I would do it , and I definitely would not do it if there was no "grade a" asset coming back in the deal.

I think even at $4.5, the canes will still have to give a good asset. He has two goals this year and has completely quit on his team. He still has term. Flames fans love to slag the Engelland contract and all but the Semin one is truly the worst contract in the league. The guy makes Rene Bourque look like Lance Bouma. At least Clarkson works hard and does other things, Semin just shuts everything down.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I have read that also. The thing is he is willing to eat salary , so he does not have to put in a very good asset for some team to take on Semin. I think "new era" was proposing getting that grade "a" asset in return for taking on Semin and seeing if Semin works out. I'm not sure I would do it , and I definitely would not do it if there was no "grade a" asset coming back in the deal.

That's exactly what I was suggesting. Unless they cough up a quality young guy like Carrick, I don't see the value.

[Ashasx]

The Flames need to stay away from reclamation projects.

[PeteLFan]

We are a rebuilding team on the rise, we do not need to add garbage to the locker room and a giant waste of cap sapce like Semin.

The push to the playoffs has been awesome, and if we get in even better. The plan doesn't change we are building something that we can sustain over a long period of time, not a 1 and done in the playoffs.

We should only be making trades that can improve the team now and also fit into the future plans, to give us a jolt now and give up assets or picks will push this team backwards.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The Flames need to stay away from reclamation projects.

Not really. They are in a position to take on reclamation projects if they get a great prospect in return. If the reclamation project does not work out they can send him to AHL . If they were willing to pay Horton not to play , I would think they would have no problem paying somebody in AHL or Europe. The only problem is getting that asset that equals taking on huge sum of money.

[killer_carlson]

Flames have to stay away from b level prospects. We have a glut of them and they are being developed well, pushing each other, and a few may make the squad.

But I would rather keep Glencross than add another Agostino, Shore, Hanowski.

[D as in David]

It seems to me that the Flames are in on a lot of these opportunities to take on someone's bad contract but will set a pretty high price for them (ie. an early draft pick or top prospect) and stick to that price. If they get the deal, great. If not, nothing lost. If that's their approach, I'm okay with that.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Not really. They are in a position to take on reclamation projects if they get a great prospect in return. If the reclamation project does not work out they can send him to AHL . If they were willing to pay Horton not to play , I would think they would have no problem paying somebody in AHL or Europe. The only problem is getting that asset that equals taking on huge sum of money.

You can't do that anymore. If we traded for Semin and he was unsurprisingly bad, his cap hit would be $6.075 million for many years in the AHL.

Why would the Flames want to put themselves in that position.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You can't do that anymore. If we traded for Semin and he was unsurprisingly bad, his cap hit would be $6.075 million for many years in the AHL.

Why would the Flames want to put themselves in that position.

Because the flames have the cap space and probably will not be a cap team for some time. Again it's the same as taking on Horton. Horton was not going to play but would eat up cap space.