[Rumour] Kypreos: Flames trying to move Raymond and Stajan

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Trade the babies. Would that count as future considerations?

It's a conditional pick for the 2033 draft.

[ah123]

If OEL is the person being discussed, I would suggest Maloney is following the Flames to look at Backlund. I don't like it as a Flames fan, but Backlund+ for OEL makes more sense from a hockey perspective. The Flames have Shore and Granlund who could take over Backlund's role on the second/third line next season

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by skudr248

I hope your not serious.. LOL

23-year old dmen with top-end talent don't grow on trees. Phoenix doesn't HAVE to deal him, so why would they unless they get a suitable deal? Elite talent for elite talent.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not suggesting they should or will get in on the guy, just don't see Vermette as their target to make the story hold together.

Honestly, none of this makes sense. Shedding salary, chasing OEL, wanting Vermette. Just an odd and contradicting sequence of rumours coming out on the Flames.

I'd choose to take Treliving at his word for the moment in that they're interested in trading for picks and are keeping an eye on the future still. In other words, keeping with the rebuild.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Emile, i'd be 50/50. Replace Poirier with Klimchuk and make sure the first isn't in the top ~12 and I'm sold. Though I'd suspect the Coyotes might actually be more interested in Culkin than Wotherspoon. I'd rather trade Culkin personally, as Wotherspoon's a bit further along and I see Hickey as being our best "puck-moving" D prospect.

1st Top 10 Protected + Klimchuk + Culkin + Granlund + Raymond with Salary Retained = OEL

I'd do it. And from Arizona's perspective, they're getting three solid forwards (two of home have a very high IQ and a rightly aged, short-term veteran that's good for 20 goals a season), a very promising D prospect, and a 1st round draft pick. Is it a "winning" trade for them probably not but they're the kind of organization that has other concerns. And who would know that better than their former assistant GM?

That would be a great package, but I'm not sure that gets it done.. I would probably pull the trigger for the flames, but not sure that Arizona does it.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by ah123

If OEL is the person being discussed, I would suggest Maloney is following the Flames to look at Backlund. I don't like it as a Flames fan, but Backlund+ for OEL makes more sense from a hockey perspective. The Flames have Shore and Granlund who could take over Backlund's role on the second/third line next season

You may have a point. Backlund + 1st + Klimchuk may be close. Throw in Raymond as well

[Moneyhands23]

I think Gromley would cost less

[Tinordi]

Arizona has a top pairing D locked up for the next 3 seasons after this at $5.5 per season. Going to take a very good deal to pry him out of there. Answer the question of what you would trade Brodie for and you're in the same ball park for value.

[Psytic]

Serious question. Can someone explain to me WHY ARZ would want to trade their young stud number 1 D at the begining of thier rebuild. does it make sense to anyone that they would do that??? I know I wouldnt.

Would you guys trade Brodie for a low 1st rounder in 2016, a career third/ second liner and a B level prospect (this is basically what people are suggesting). Its not like they have another young number 1 D to take his place.

They are dealing Yandle and OEL goes no where unless its Brodie going back ( which is lateral and makes no sense) or Monahan, in which case they fill one hole and make another. Makes no sense at all.

[Imported_Aussie]

The Coyotes will not trade Ekman-Larsson if they are placing a priority on keeping players under contract. Yandle could go in the right deal, but being signed next season means he could be moved at the draft too. Stone and Murphy look like two guys they would keep to build around with Ekman-Larsson, whereas Gormley and Summers may be two younger guys they would consider moving.
Michalek is UFA, and is a guy who I can definitely see them being interested in moving.
Up front, Vermette will be moved, but may cost more than the Flames want to spend, though Erat would be in the right price range - only question would be if he brings enough to the lineup.

If it was possible to easily turn Raymond and/or Stajan into Vermette, it would have been done already. Even a team desperate to pick up guys under contract or youngsters who can be persuaded to stick around isn't going to trade prime assets for our spare parts

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Could be Yandle, if he's willing to sign an extension.

Burke ripped Yandle he's during that behind the scenes team usa Olympic article on ESPN. Don't see him being the target. He will also command a first in return.

I am thinking a younger dman for a combo of prospects and roster players.

Boedker would also be awesome

[CsInMyBlood]

The Flames would be better off without Stajan or Raymond, really hope both are moved before the deadline. Loved the look of the team over these last two games without seeing those guys killing plays.

Certainly would rather watch a line of Ferland-Granlund-Poirier instead of Raymond-Stajan-Bollig.

Please be right Kypreos.

[Vinny01]

With Glencross almost certainly gone and now hearing about these 2 potentially on the move I am very pleased.

Of our veteran forwards really only Hudler and Jones have proven their worth this year. Jones has been the big body shutdown RW and while not overly productive, fills an important role on the line with Backs and Bouma.

Raymond and Glencross were passed on the depth chart by Gaudreau and Bouma and on top of that there are several prospects proving they deserve to stay with the big club.

Stajan has been passed as well and is the 4th line C on a team that wants to get Drew Shore back with the big club. Jooris has surprised, Backlund and Monahan are way past him. Bennett is on his way next year and the likes of Granlund, Arnold, Reinhart all knocking on the door. Stajan has 3 years left and there is barely room for him now. There will be no room in a year

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Doesn't make sense, still. Every team has 3-5 aging vets they'd like to jettison, but can't move unless they package with something else.

Can't see Us packaging, so I have no idea how we could move those 2 unless it's 5th rounders on a team needing urgent injury replacement.

[Muta]

Why would OEL be discussed? Is he available? Why is everyone making trade suggestions for him?

If anything, he's the least available player on that roster.

[iLoveLamp]

If Sekera got a 1st and a good prospect as a rental, I don't even want to know what Yandle would cost

[polak]

I don't mind leaving Stajan as our 4th line guy if he's okay with it.

He seems like a great team guy.

[cgy2london]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hard to see these as in season moves. They are depth moves for playoff teams I guess, but I don't understand the need to dump salary by Calgary.

Because, as any CSEG employee will tell you. CSEG is the absolute cheapest organization on the face of the planet.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Honestly, none of this makes sense. Shedding salary, chasing OEL, wanting Vermette. Just an odd and contradicting sequence of rumours coming out on the Flames.

I'd choose to take Treliving at his word for the moment in that they're interested in trading for picks and are keeping an eye on the future still. In other words, keeping with the rebuild.

He was clear in saying no youth for rentals. Otherwise I think you are reading what you want him to be saying.

They are looking for long term help that makes the team better.

That is not so black and white. He could trade youth and picks for a long term upgrade. That would not contradict his statements.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Raymond, Stajan, Glencross + 2nd (or whatever else you think it takes) to the Leafs, for Dion and Flyin' Phil the Thrill Kessel!

It's our turn to trade a whole line for Dion! That'll show those Leafs!

Seriously though, I would totally love it if this happened. It would be hilarious! Of course whether that's hilariously bad or hilariously good is really up for debate....