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GoJetsGo · 02-26-2015, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Chingas

I wonder if they traded Raymond and Stajan if they would re-sign Glencross? He sure appeared to have a weight lifted off his shoulders tonight. Any chance they are talking extension again?

I highly doubt it. Burke came out last week and said they weren't on the same page at all regarding price and term. Don't see how one game in which he scored changes that.

Glencross is going to be looking to cash in on his last contract and we just don't need to be tying up a roster spot for years with our upcoming youth movement.

It's just not a fit on either side of the coin.

GranteedEV · 02-26-2015, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chingas

I wonder if they traded Raymond and Stajan if they would re-sign Glencross? He sure appeared to have a weight lifted off his shoulders tonight. Any chance they are talking extension again?

I think for the Flames, it's not really about the contracts. None of Raymond, Stajan, or even whatever Glencross wants are really as difficult for this team as you would think.

What it comes down to is freeing up roster spots for young guys playing well - Poirier, Baertschi, Wolf, Ferland. There's no point abandoning young assets you've developed for guys on the wrong side of 30, unless those guys are a Giordano or a Hudler.

Bingo · 02-26-2015, 07:05 AM

As I said in the game story I think Kypreos or his sources just have it slightly wrong. The fact that there is chatter around the two players means something, but I don't see Calgary needed to move salary, nor do I see them pushing hard to move those players out.

Not the right time.

But we do have Arizona following the Flames around on this trip.
Plus Maloney saying he'd like to retain contracts in trades because they have trouble signing players.

So maybe a larger Calgary/Arizona deal has included some veteran players on term contracts chatter and that's where the smoke is coming from.

Ekman Larson for a package that has one of the two vets going the other way.

heep223 · 02-26-2015, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-hole

Who knows ... the last time we heard that the owners were willing to spend to the cap and pick up terrible contracts, oil wasn't $50/barrel. That's gonna put a big pinch on ownership's willingness to spend money and probably puts a big crimp in revenue.

I seriously doubt that $50 oil affects ownership's willingness to spend to the cap. We have some of the best owners in the league, you think they're going to "take back" what they told Treliving about spending to the cap? That'd be bush league. These guys are all class and they have the deepest pockets in the league.

Not sure what you're talking about re missed revenue. You mean less demand for tickets? They've sold out or come very close to selling out every game this year. But I suppose as more ppl are laid off and worried about their jobs this could definitely happen. Haven't seen it yet but if the Flames are winning and exciting, I don't see it being an issue. Barring a total collapse in the energy business (ie. oil in the 30s...then I may agree with you haha).

GranteedEV · 02-26-2015, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Ekman-Larsson for a package that has one of the two vets going the other way.

Vinny01 · 02-26-2015, 07:33 AM

I doubt we trade for OEL as it will cost many of the assets Treliving says he will not move. Having said that Treliving has been keen to point out he won't do that for short term assets but OEL is a long term guy. I just don't see the Yotes moving a 23 year old dman in what they are calling a quick retool and not a tear down rebuild

jlh2640 · 02-26-2015, 07:33 AM

No way should we trade Raymond. However Stajan if we could get something then maybe.

Bingo · 02-26-2015, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jlh2640

No way should we trade Raymond. However Stajan if we could get something then maybe.

I might have the exact opposite opinion

Psytic · 02-26-2015, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

As I said in the game story I think Kypreos or his sources just have it slightly wrong. The fact that there is chatter around the two players means something, but I don't see Calgary needed to move salary, nor do I see them pushing hard to move those players out.

Not the right time.

But we do have Arizona following the Flames around on this trip.
Plus Maloney saying he'd like to retain contracts in trades because they have trouble signing players.

So maybe a larger Calgary/Arizona deal has included some veteran players on term contracts chatter and that's where the smoke is coming from.

Ekman Larson for a package that has one of the two vets going the other way.

I doubt OEL is going any where. He is a corner stone of the future. It would be counter productive to their rebuild to trade him and start looking again for a young number 1 D man, it would be like us moving Brodie. Its going to be Yandle and / or Michalek moving for some combo of Glencross, Granlund, Bart and / or picks, something along those lines.

Yandle makes the most sense he is offensive minded and fits with our offense through the D philosophy. He is young enough to still have 5 or 6 years in the tank but old enough that PHX would be willing to move him.

Tinordi · 02-26-2015, 07:39 AM

OEL costs one of 1st rounder +++, Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau.

Moneyhands23 · 02-26-2015, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I might have the exact opposite opinion

This is my thoughts as well. Stajan is great on the 4th line and has solid effort every night

neo45 · 02-26-2015, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I might have the exact opposite opinion

Me too. Stajan plays with way more of an edge and is more consistent, where as Raymond is a perimeter player who isn't effective in a bottom 6 role.

The Raymond signing was a little bit confusing from day one. It didn't seem like we needed another soft LW and it seemed really likely that we would be trying to trade him before the end of the contract.

Moneyhands23 · 02-26-2015, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinordi

OEL costs one of 1st rounder +++, Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau.

Even at the cost of a 1st + Emile + Wotherspoon + Granlund, I think it's to much to give up.

foshizzle11 · 02-26-2015, 07:43 AM

I would rather keep Stajan than Raymond for sure. I think having Stajan as the 4th liner vet at centre is more valuable than a soft LW as mentioned above. With the players we have, Mason is replaced easier than Matt.

We will see how this pans out, my gut tells me there is no trade for either of those guys, only Glencross is moved at this deadline for picks.

T@T · 02-26-2015, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

This is my thoughts as well. Stajan is great on the 4th line and has solid effort every night

If you ignore his salary he's one of the best 4th line centers in the league.

Maybe we can break it down to make people feel better.

Stajan player = $2 million
Stajan teammate = $1 million
Stajan community person = $500k

Total $3.5 million

Stajan cap hit $3.125 million

Ladies and gentlemen...we have a small bargain on our hands.

GranteedEV · 02-26-2015, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Even at the cost of a 1st + Emile + Wotherspoon + Granlund, I think it's to much to give up.

Emile, i'd be 50/50. Replace Poirier with Klimchuk and make sure the first isn't in the top ~12 and I'm sold. Though I'd suspect the Coyotes might actually be more interested in Culkin than Wotherspoon. I'd rather trade Culkin personally, as Wotherspoon's a bit further along and I see Hickey as being our best "puck-moving" D prospect.

1st Top 10 Protected + Klimchuk + Culkin + Granlund + Raymond with Salary Retained = OEL

I'd do it. And from Arizona's perspective, they're getting three solid forwards (two of home have a very high IQ and a rightly aged, short-term veteran that's good for 20 goals a season), a very promising D prospect, and a 1st round draft pick. Is it a "winning" trade for them probably not but they're the kind of organization that has other concerns. And who would know that better than their former assistant GM?

Bingo · 02-26-2015, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinordi

OEL costs one of 1st rounder +++, Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau.

Not suggesting they should or will get in on the guy, just don't see Vermette as their target to make the story hold together.

GranteedEV · 02-26-2015, 08:03 AM

Could be Yandle, if he's willing to sign an extension.

skudr248 · 02-26-2015, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinordi

OEL costs one of 1st rounder +++, Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau.

I hope your not serious.. LOL

SuperMatt18 · 02-26-2015, 08:05 AM

Yeah seems like it's bigger then a rental with Arizona, some things do make sense though.

Flames can give Arizona veterans with term and eat some of the $, huge plus for a budget Arizona team.

Both OEL and Yandle have been rumored at some point to be potential trade candidates, Yandle makes more sense since he is a UFA next year but OEL also has a big jump in salary ($2 million increase) and that may scare the Coyotes.