[Trade] E.Kane, Bogosian, Kasdorf to Buffalo for Myers, Stafford, Armia, Lemieux and 1st

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Bogosian and Myers is basically a wash. They cancel each other out.

People keep saying this but Myers was playing 25 minutes per game on one of the worst assembled NHL rosters in some time. Given all that ice time his -15 rating is astounding when you consider the Sabres are a league worst -88 (-56 next highest) in goal differential. I really think this guy is going to flourish while Bogosian is going to struggle mightily having to take up that spot on the Sabres.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Just a thought on rebuilds...

Bogosian was 3rd overall in 08 and Kane was 4th overall in 09.

Imagine if Monahan and Bennett got traded a few years from now for Myers (under achiever), Stafford (UFA), Armia (mid 1st rounder with similar value to Baertschi right now), Lemieux (2nd rounder who is just over 1 PPG in his post draft year), and a 27th-30th overall pick?

The Jets turned what was once serious quality into a whole bunch of quantity, with some wasted years thrown in.

So I wouldn't be too quick to praise Chevy and the Jets. Because even though the return is decent for their current value, they also have to take some responsibility for the fact that that value is so low.

What does draft spot have to do with anything? Did the Jets organization draft those players at those spots? Not to mention Atlanta's piss poor job of drafting young talent and shoving them right into the NHL without any sort of seasoning. Chevy got something now. Is it a gamble that they could turn out to be better? Sure, but likewise they could also plummet value wise. I will gladly take Chevy's current drafting and prospect pool over what we got in 2011 when the Thrashers moved here.

[jeffman]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Just a thought on rebuilds...

Bogosian was 3rd overall in 08 and Kane was 4th overall in 09.

Imagine if Monahan and Bennett got traded a few years from now for Myers (under achiever), Stafford (UFA), Armia (mid 1st rounder with similar value to Baertschi right now), Lemieux (2nd rounder who is just over 1 PPG in his post draft year), and a 27th-30th overall pick?

The Jets turned what was once serious quality into a whole bunch of quantity, with some wasted years thrown in.

So I wouldn't be too quick to praise Chevy and the Jets. Because even though the return is decent for their current value, they also have to take some responsibility for the fact that that value is so low.

Where they were drafted doesn't matter at this point otherwise Luke schenn >>> Erik Karrlsson. Meyers has achieved more than bogosian although not by much

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

That's your opinion, a Myers for Bennett swap alone is fair value

Quit trolling us please.

Bennett is an elite prospect. Probably the most elite prospect we've drafted in the last 25 years outside of Monahan. And he may end up more offensive than Mono.

[PeteLFan]

It is laughable that anyone things Tyler Myers is fair value for the Franchise Sam Bennett.

Tyler may be big and can skate, but getting a #1 centre is difficult they don't grow on trees and Sam's potential to be a legit top 10 player in the NHL is far greater then a stuggling giant defenceman.

Bennett>Chris Breen 2.0

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Quit trolling us please.

Bennett is an elite prospect. Probably the most elite prospect we've drafted in the last 25 years.

Probably ever

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

People are widely overrating what the Jets got in this trade.

Bogosian and Myers are both guys who's career has gone way down since their early years.

Stafford is fine, but doesn't move the needle at all.

Armia is scoring at the same rate as Baertschi in the minors... not exactly a star in the making.

Lemieux is fine but probably a 3rd/4th liner in the NHL.

The 1st round pick will be late.

Its not a slaughter or anything... its a fair deal.

I think the value to Winnipeg comes down to what you think if Armia/Lemieux and the 1st. I think those are pretty good pieces for the malcontent Kane, but I could also see the argument that Kane is the best piece.
I think Stafford/goalie are so minor, they don't really rate. The Myers/Bogo portion is tough for me to evaluate, but I think they probably wash as well.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by jeffman

Where they were drafted doesn't matter at this point otherwise Luke schenn >>> Erik Karrlsson. Meyers has achieved more than bogosian although not by much

I don't think Enoch was arguing that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Probably ever

I dunno. I get he's the highest pick. But Fleury, MacInnis, Suter and Newy might ask you to look at their records.

Fleury just might have been the most offensively talented player in the game at his peak.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't think Enoch was arguing that.

Agreed. He was saying they WERE top talents and now are worth other reclamation castaways. And that the Jets therefore wasted talent Oiler style. I suppose it could be argued they just drafted badly too.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Surprised so many think Myers for Bogosian is a wash. To me Myers has a much bigger upside. Big d-men are often inconsistent to start their career , see Pronger/Chara. Myers has the skill, size and skating to be special. Whether he reaches that potential is the question. He's more likely to do it surrounded by Trouba, byfuglien, Enstrom the. He was in Buffalo. Also Myers is a right shot which can be hard to find.

I'd much, much rather have Myers than Bogosian. I see higher upside with Tyler.

It's not like Bogosian is Kris Russel. He's a big strong right handed shooting defenceman who is capable of laying a beating on someone and mean enough to do it.

I think both of those guys need a change of scenery. Bogosian has had injury issues, plus some disconnect with the organization from it's Atlanta days, plus who knows what else. Still he is a bit like Chris Pronger was in his early years in Hartford.

If you had to trade Meyers for another underperforming defenceman with upside I can't think of a better swap than this one. Meyers game has regressed hugely since his rookie season, whereas Bogosian has shown some steady improvement. Perhaps Myers will flourish in Winnipeg with better guys around him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I dunno. I get he's the highest pick. But Fleury, MacInnis, Suter and Newy might ask you to look at their records.

Fleury just might have been the most offensively talented player in the game at his peak.

he said most elite prospect, I am certain none of those guys were ranked #1 by central scouting

how it turns out who knows, obviously those guys have had quite the careers

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Pretty clear to say that the flames would have needed to give up Bennett ++++ to be in this.

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Will Evander play tomorrow?

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I'd say the chances of that happening are about as likely as Backlund leaving for Russia after this season.

Spoiler!

[Weitz]

Personally I would want to be traded from Winnipeg just to get away from Gary Lawless.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

he said most elite prospect, I am certain none of those guys were ranked #1 by central scouting

how it turns out who knows, obviously those guys have had quite the careers

Sure, I guess, if you want to measure it that way. I think a prospect is as elite as they actually play. People who watched him knew Fleury had elite level skills but just no size at all.

On the "central scouting rank = elite" theory, almost everyone in their year was more an elite prospect than Johnny Gaudreau or Theo Fleury

[OzSome]

I think the Winnipeg gets better with this trade right now. Yes they lost a defenseman in Bogosian but they received another defenseman Tyler Myers anyways. Drew Stafford will be able to help the Jets in their playoff drive. If he stays in Winnipeg then this is a good trade for the Jets. I like Brendan Lemeiux too and he'll be a good fit with the team in the future and it is too soon to comment on the 1st round pick. I can't really comment on Armia as I don't know the guy. As for Buffalo, they made this trade for their future. Evander Kane is done for the season but it doesn't matter for them because that actually help them with the tanking this season. Bogosian is a good defenseman that will help the Sabres with their rebuilding. I have no clue on Kasdorf as I never heard of him before.
So it is a good trade for both team.. trade will help the Jets this season for playoff push while the trade helps Buffalo with the tanking drive because Kane will not play again this season.

[united]

How is Bogosian for Myers a wash? By virtue of Buffalo's horrendous roster, Myers has been forced into playing arguably the toughest minutes in the league when considering he starts a huge amount of shifts in his own zone against the other teams' first line and with awful teammates - up there with Weber, Giordano, Brodie for usage. Of course he's looked terrible. Take any second pairing defenceman and give them Myers' minutes and watch what happens.

Bogosian plays average minutes against average competition and still hasn't met expectations.

Both have room to improve and time to meet their potential but I think it's more likely Myers does so on a second pairing than Bogosian does on a first pairing. And hey, maybe both fail with their new teams, but I have more confidence in Myers that's for sure.

[Roof-Daddy]

I still wish we could have snagged Myers. I think he would have turned it around here, and he has huge upside IMO.

Now that he's a Jet, I hope he doesn't though.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

We don't have a 6'5 defenseman that went first round and hasn't lived up to expectations to date.

It's nice to break down the trade as you like, simply removing parts you deem as equal, but in 5 - 10 years from now it might be those parts that make or break the deal.

And the Sabres didn't give up an 18-year-old centre with game breaking potential, so what's your point?

The Sabres didn't give up anything that approaches Bennett's value. That pretty much makes a mockery of your assertion that this deal shows we would have had to give up ""Bennett ++++" when the real deal was an underwhelming and regressing defenceman ++++.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by united

How is Bogosian for Myers a wash? By virtue of Buffalo's horrendous roster, Myers has been forced into playing arguably the toughest minutes in the league when considering he starts a huge amount of shifts in his own zone against the other teams' first line and with awful teammates - up there with Weber, Giordano, Brodie for usage. Of course he's looked terrible. Take any second pairing defenceman and give them Myers' minutes and watch what happens.

Bogosian plays average minutes against average competition and still hasn't met expectations.

Both have room to improve and time to meet their potential but I think it's more likely Myers does so on a second pairing than Bogosian does on a first pairing. And hey, maybe both fail with their new teams, but I have more confidence in Myers that's for sure.

Yep. Myers for Bogosian on it's own is a big win for the Jets. Let's see how Bogosian handles Myers minutes on that team. I don't expect that to be pretty.