[News] Flames unwilling to risk future for playoff push

[bubbsy]

any hints on what's going on with the glencross situation?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

any hints on what's going on with the glencross situation?

Nothing to report other than Treliving has said they haven't had any talks but did not press on the fact that they are gong to either. Also said they have their minds made up on some things already so it's all lost in a fog right now.

I'd wager that there won't be a Curtis Glencross on the Flames roster starting next season.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Refreshing to trust the GM enough that this news article isn't exactly even news.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Locke

...The playoffs are a bonus.

I don't believe this is the direction coming from the top though. Both Ken King and Brian Burke said it publicly on a couple of occasions prior to Christmas that the ownership group wants the team to make playoffs this year. So, if Flames are realistically close to making it, Treliving might change his tune and we may actually see some rentals brought in at the deadline.

[debil]

Ottawa Sun: The talk is the Devils, Flames and Stars have an interest in Phaneuf

http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/01/31/...f8815d4caabe1f

Please no, i used to like the guy but he's just overpaid slow and locker room cancer. Can't imagine he'll play 2nd pairing and being paid more than Gio and Brodie together.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by getoverit

Yep no good happens when trading with Toronto. still crying over the Gilmour trade and Dion was a cluster, still pissed Sutter didn't do a better job in shopping him for a better return.

The Colborne trade turned out pretty awesome.

If Franson could be had for cheap, I would seriously consider it. Doubly so if they can get permission to ask him about whether he would sign an extension before pulling the trigger on the trade.

It is going to be very hard to develop depth on D that can get to the NHL roster as fast as our forwards are showing to be developing. Short of finding an Ekblad in the second round this draft, spending that second round pick on a player that can carry the load for the rest of this season + the next 4 after it is entirely worth it.

I can see Franson being very successful in a system like ours with a leader like Giordano setting the example as opposed to Phaneuf. He looked really good in his Nashville years putting up similar points as he is now with the leafs but with a very plus rating.

[Tinordi]

This is very good news.

Stories of the Senators and Leafs should be front and center here. Their young players gelled, played well and made the playoffs. Then they regressed. The Leafs drank the kool-aid and stocked up like they were emerging into a contender. The Senators stocked up to a lesser extent adding Ryan but have been more measured to their youth-fueled success.

The Sens are still at least a year away, they're on the 5 year rebuild plan almost to a letter, you should look up that franchise's trajectory since 2011. Expected to finish in the bottom of the league, made the playoffs surprisingly from the youth movement, eeked out some more success the next year, then miss the playoffs for probably two straight years including this one.

Rebuilds are generally non-linear unless you draft a couple franchise players in quick succession. They take time and patience and above all commitment to the franchise 3-5 years from now not 3-4 months from now.

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Wolven

The Colborne trade turned out pretty awesome.

If Franson could be had for cheap, I would seriously consider it. Doubly so if they can get permission to ask him about whether he would sign an extension before pulling the trigger on the trade.

It is going to be very hard to develop depth on D that can get to the NHL roster as fast as our forwards are showing to be developing. Short of finding an Ekblad in the second round this draft, spending that second round pick on a player that can carry the load for the rest of this season + the next 4 after it is entirely worth it.

I can see Franson being very successful in a system like ours with a leader like Giordano setting the example as opposed to Phaneuf. He looked really good in his Nashville years putting up similar points as he is now with the leafs but with a very plus rating.

If the 2nd rounder for Franson rumour actually has merit to it we could hypothetically get that 2nd back by trading Glencross, turning it essentially into a Glencross for Franson deal. I could get behind that, provided that Franson is willing to re-sign with the Flames.

[combustiblefuel]

Good. Brad seems too have learned much from his father.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

This is very good news.

Stories of the Senators and Leafs should be front and center here. Their young players gelled, played well and made the playoffs. Then they regressed. The Leafs drank the kool-aid and stocked up like they were emerging into a contender. The Senators stocked up to a lesser extent adding Ryan but have been more measured to their youth-fueled success.

The Sens are still at least a year away, they're on the 5 year rebuild plan almost to a letter, you should look up that franchise's trajectory since 2011. Expected to finish in the bottom of the league, made the playoffs surprisingly from the youth movement, eeked out some more success the next year, then miss the playoffs for probably two straight years including this one.

Rebuilds are generally non-linear unless you draft a couple franchise players in quick succession. They take time and patience and above all commitment to the franchise 3-5 years from now not 3-4 months from now.

To be fair, Eugene Melnyk is a cheap bum who shouldn't own a Canadian NHL team. The Senators aren't able to spend to the cap and I think that's a major reason why they've faltered. Thankfully the Flames will spend to the cap.

Toronto on the other hand, perfectly good argument and I agree with you.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

To be fair, Eugene Melnyk is a cheap bum who shouldn't own a Canadian NHL team. The Senators aren't able to spend to the cap and I think that's a major reason why they've faltered. Thankfully the Flames will spend to the cap.

Toronto on the other hand, perfectly good argument and I agree with you.

I think it has more to do with Melnyk not having the money than him being a cheap bum.

As a result, none of the seven Canadian-based NHL teams can take advantage of the low-interest credit facility, which is managed by Citi, the vast New York-based financial services company.

The Ottawa Citizen reported Melnyk reworked the Senators’ debt in April, 2013, by lining up $150-million of new financing from two U.S. specialty funds. These loans typically come at high interest rates, often at more than 10 per cent.
That is at least 8 per cent higher than teams such as the Arizona Coyotes are paying for their loans through the NHL’s line of credit.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle22547432/

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

This is very good news.

Stories of the Senators and Leafs should be front and center here. Their young players gelled, played well and made the playoffs. Then they regressed. The Leafs drank the kool-aid and stocked up like they were emerging into a contender. The Senators stocked up to a lesser extent adding Ryan but have been more measured to their youth-fueled success.

The Sens are still at least a year away, they're on the 5 year rebuild plan almost to a letter, you should look up that franchise's trajectory since 2011. Expected to finish in the bottom of the league, made the playoffs surprisingly from the youth movement, eeked out some more success the next year, then miss the playoffs for probably two straight years including this one.

Rebuilds are generally non-linear unless you draft a couple franchise players in quick succession. They take time and patience and above all commitment to the franchise 3-5 years from now not 3-4 months from now.

Hate the comparison (I've been seeing it a lot). Making the playoffs in the east is not even close to making it in the west. Not to mention that was a 48 game season


If the Flames make the playoffs this year they are pretty legit

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by neo45

Hate the comparison (I've been seeing it a lot). Making the playoffs in the east is not even close to making it in the west. Not to mention that was a 48 game season


If the Flames make the playoffs this year they are pretty legit

Well how about the comparison to Colorado then? Was Colorado legit when they came second in the Western Conference last year and had seemingly franchise talent in Mackinnon and Duchene?

I'm not saying the Flames are not legit, I'm saying that we don't know if they are legit even if they make the playoffs this year. Further, the goal is to build a powerhouse like St. Louis not a pastiche like Colorado. To do that you need to continue to acquire future assets and sell off current ones all while prioritizing a competitive development environment. That means not handing youngsters spots, growing accustomed to the fact that there will be ups and downs both within a single season and over the span of multiple seasons and that franchise level talent needs to be drafted at all key positions.

No shortcutting basically after one good year.

[FlameZilla]

I LOVE how the OP starts the discussion with "Treliving ain't makin' no trades" and then trolls himself with a trade rumour.

I like Franson, though. If we were in the market for a rental I would hope he'd be top of the list. If they're willing to take a 2nd rounder maybe they'd take a Hanowski.

[doctajones428]

Good thing Glencross isn't part of the future

[To Be Quite Honest]

This could also be Treliving planting the news that the players will not come cheap. Not that he's unwilling to move a player.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

I really hope Treliving stays away from trading with Toronto. Just don't.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by neo45

If the Flames make the playoffs this year they are pretty legit

Legitimately a playoff bubble team. Woo-hoo, rebuild complete!

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Legitimately a playoff bubble team. Woo-hoo, rebuild complete!

So did you expect them to go from Byron feeders for 3-5 years then jump right to contenders?

Obviously the rebuild is not complete the Flames still have their best prospect and highest draft pick in Calgary history to suit up for them. The prospect pool was rated second in hockey's future most recent list. The AHL team is battling for the playoffs while being one of the youngest in the league

[Jason14h]

Legitimately a playoff bubble team.

There are only 4 non-bubble teams in the West.

Chicago, St.Louis, Anaheim, and Nashville

3 of those 4 are perennial powerhouses.

In the NHL it is very hard to make the playoffs consistently.

They obviously aren't going to trade a young stud or a 1st rounder. However, making the playoffs and getting them experience is worth a ton.

The team shouldn't be afraid to move a 2nd or 3rd rounder or B level prospect to improve the 3rd D pairing