[News] Mike Richards on waivers - CLEARS

[CliffFletcher]

If LA makes a deal, they're going to want to clear most, if not all of Richards' cap hit. If they buy him out, Richards will only cost them $3 mil a year against the cap. So I can't see them taking on even a 2-3 mil contract back. And the Flames have lots of cap space, so why reduce the return from LA by sending contract to LA?

So I see picks/prospects going to LA in exchange for Richards and better picks/prospects. Something like:

To CGY

Mike Richards
Adrian Kempe
2015 1st

To LA

Ben Hanowski
2015 2nd
2016 3rd

[sketchyt]

I sometimes wonder how good Toffoli would be without the ridiculous 2-way play of Jeff Carter.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by clifffletcher

to cgy

mike richards
adrian kempe
2015 1st

to la

$30,000.000.00
ben hanowski
2015 2nd
2016 3rd

fyp

[Badgers Nose]

If Ribiero contract dump was worth the 12 pick last year then Richards contract dump would have to involve Toffoli, a prospect and LA's 1st in 2015. Maybe more.

Richards doesn't count in this equation. He is not worth half his contract, there are players on this team that make less than that who would do better than him on the 3rd or 4th line. He'd be headed straight to the AHL IMO.

Heading back the other way would be a cheap two way contract. Kings need space, they don't need or want any roster player we are willing to part with. They'd use this to shore up their defense and then Flames would have yet another thing to worry about.

We are relieving them of a $30m albatross, giving them another shot at a cup (likely at our expense) before FA ruins their team this summer.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If Ribiero contract dump was worth the 12 pick last year then Richards contract dump would have to involve Toffoli, a prospect and LA's 1st in 2015. Maybe more.

Richards doesn't count in this equation. He is not worth half his contract, there are players on this team that make less than that who would do better than him on the 3rd or 4th line.
Heading back the other way would be a cheap two way contract.

We are relieving them of a $30m albatross, giving them another shot at a cup (likely at our expense) before FA ruins their team this summer.

You are not going to get both of Toffoli and the 2015 1st, probably just one of them.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If Ribiero contract dump was worth the 12 pick last year then Richards contract dump would have to involve Toffoli, a prospect and LA's 1st in 2015. Maybe more.

Richards doesn't count in this equation. He is not worth half his contract, there are players on this team that make less than that who would do better than him on the 3rd or 4th line.
Heading back the other way would be a cheap two way contract.

We are relieving them of a $30m albatross, giving them another shot at a cup (likely at our expense) before FA ruins their team this summer.

Agreed

There are few teams with cap space who actually intend to spend up to the cap.

There are few options to those teams who need to shed space.

The Flames' cap space is worth a pile of assets.

LA can give it one more go with this group of players but recognizes they have to fill the Voyonov hole to do it. They can't fill that hole without salary relief.

The Flame will squeeze every ounce out of LA, and if that isn't enough, the Flames have 15 other teams to do the same thing to.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If Ribiero contract dump was worth the 12 pick last year then Richards contract dump would have to involve Toffoli, a prospect and LA's 1st in 2015. Maybe more.

But clearly the Ribiero contract dump wasn't worth the #12 pick last year. The deal didn't go through.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

You are not going to get both of Toffoli and the 2015 1st, probably just one of them.

Then LA isn't going to get out from under the Richards contract.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

According to friedman, both Buffalo and calgary asked for Toffoli in exchange for taking Richards.

That leads me to believe the cost for taking Richards is Toffoli, as I don't see either team backing down from those terms and I don't see a 3rd team stepping up to lower the price.

It's a serious poison pill. If I am the Kings, with the roster I have, I might move Toffoli just to get an extra 6 million dollars in cap space. Win now.

But Toffoli is a key part of winning now. And part of the reason they need to move Richards is to pay Toffoli. I just can't see them moving him.

So instead, they would have to come up with something else that is close: and for both Calgary and Buffalo, picks would be fine.

I think it becomes something like Richards + a 1st + a prospect (McKeown?) in return for a lesser prospect (Reinhart?) and maybe a lesser pick, depending on who the prospects are.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

But clearly the Ribiero contract dump wasn't worth the #12 pick last year. The deal didn't go through.

Ribeiro wouldn't waive, out of spite.

The deal was done as confirmed by Maloney.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

You are not going to get both of Toffoli and the 2015 1st, probably just one of them.

Maybe, the pressure is all on them.

If LA retains salary do they also retain cap usage? Sorry if it's been asked but that is the only other thing I can think of. to balance it.

If they kept half I think one asset would be fine as it would be pretty close to matching the Ribiero offer form last summer.

Kings have to win now, whereas the Yotes didn't really know what they had for this season.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But Toffoli is a key part of winning now. And part of the reason they need to move Richards is to pay Toffoli. I just can't see them moving him.

So instead, they would have to come up with something else that is close: and for both Calgary and Buffalo, picks would be fine.

I think it becomes something like Richards + a 1st + a prospect (McKeown?) in return for a lesser prospect (Reinhart?) and maybe a lesser pick, depending on who the prospects are.

That balances the risk. LA gets room to chase their D (no guarantee they will land one) at the expense of a contributing roster player.

That's the price of dealing form a position of weakness with a conference rival.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

But clearly the Ribiero contract dump wasn't worth the #12 pick last year. The deal didn't go through.

If the Yotes agreed to it, as alleged, then it was

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If LA makes a deal, they're going to want to clear most, if not all of Richards' cap hit. If they buy him out, Richards will only cost them $3 mil a year against the cap. So I can't see them taking on even a 2-3 mil contract back. And the Flames have lots of cap space, so why reduce the return from LA by sending contract to LA?

So I see picks/prospects going to LA in exchange for Richards and better picks/prospects. Something like:

To CGY

Mike Richards
Adrian Kempe
2015 1st

To LA

Ben Hanowski
2015 2nd
2016 3rd

I agree with this (and just posted something similar)

I think it becomes a 1st + good prospect in return for a couple lesser pieces (like a Hanowski or Reinhart) for optics

But I would rather have McKeown than Kempe - we have too many Cs now.

[Harry Lime]

The disparity between the length of a Raymond contract, and a Richards contract, is also an interesting factor. An option is to retain on both contracts, making the final 2 years of Richards more palatable, and giving LA 2.25M cap relief over the first 3 years. The last 2 years of Richards would be a 4.25M hit, comparatively.

Raymond (50% or 1.5 retained)
Kenny Agostino
2015 3rd
for
Richards (26% or 1.5 retained)
Roland Mackewon
2015 1st

[Flash Walken]

You need to find a return that is comparable to a top 10 pick.

That's what ribeiro was on the block for, and Richards is a worse cap situation, ergo, the return is going to have to be AT LEAST a top 10 pick or equivalent.

Pick #20 and McKeown doesn't do it. For the buyout liability, I don't think 2 firsts in the 15-25 range is an excessive starting point.

I'd wager again that if that's what Buffalo and Calgary asked for, Toffoli, the return is going to HAVE to be somewhere in that ballpark; multiple firsts and or a top, top prospect.

[Badgers Nose]

I am going to say Dean is working the phone like a mad man to determine what kind of D he can get if he does that deal with Calgary.

Problem is that getting a Yandle will also require a 1st plus much more.

Same thing with Dion. La would have to send Richard and something else. to make room. That would likely empty the cupboard.

I don't think LA's pending free agents balance out any trade proposals.

Whatever happens, LA is going to stink from 2016 onwards IMO.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The disparity between the length of a Raymond contract, and a Richards contract, is also an interesting factor. An option is to retain on both contracts, making the final 2 years of Richards more palatable, and giving LA 2.25M cap relief over the first 3 years. The last 2 years of Richards would be a 4.25M hit, comparatively.

Raymond (50% or 1.5 retained)
Kenny Agostino
2015 3rd
for
Richards (26% or 1.5 retained)
Roland Mackewon
2015 1st

I just can't see LA taking back a salary or retaining any of Richards' salary.

The whole issue here is that they need to move salary - a lot of it.

And I would think they are (or will be) willing to give up picks and/or prospects. But not take on any salary.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If LA makes a deal, they're going to want to clear most, if not all of Richards' cap hit. If they buy him out, Richards will only cost them $3 mil a year against the cap. So I can't see them taking on even a 2-3 mil contract back. And the Flames have lots of cap space, so why reduce the return from LA by sending contract to LA?

So I see picks/prospects going to LA in exchange for Richards and better picks/prospects. Something like:

To CGY

Mike Richards
Adrian Kempe
2015 1st

To LA

Ben Hanowski
2015 2nd
2016 3rd

This is a fair proposal. Maybe a little too much going LA's way, make it Hanowski+2nd. Really don't think Toffoli's going anywhere. He'll be a king for the next 10 years.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I'm still thinking that Richards eating up LA's cap space is more valuable to us than the value we'd get for relieving them of it. You know they're just gonna fill that cap space with a player that'll help them vault over us.

In conclusion, #### the Kings.

Assuming of course that they keep Richards. Chances are they make a deal with another team and Calgary doesn't benefit at all.