Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cain

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/w...ith-of-others/

The pope on the attacks.

Cherry picking obviously, but "You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others".

Tolerance is a virtue.

He also said this:

“One cannot offend, make war, kill in the name of one’s own religion — that is, in the name of God,” the pope said. “To kill in the name of God is an aberration.”

And,

Days ago, Francis denounced the Charlie Hebdo attacks and the “deviant forms of religion” he said were behind them. “Religious fundamentalism, even before it eliminates human beings by perpetrating horrendous killings, eliminates God himself, turning him into a mere ideological pretext,” he said, according to the AP.

[Coach]

nvm

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I harbor a lot of negativity for religion as a whole, but Pope Francis is a big step in the right direction for meaningful reform.

Does Islam have a leader in the same vien as the Pope? I don't think I've ever heard of one.

I don't think they do, I've heard comments from Grand Mufti's but they're basically state by state. I don't think that Islam has ever had a guy at the top of the chain probably because the prophet is at the top of the chain.

I think Islam is far more splintered then Christianity which makes having one person at the head of it impossible.

Its a scholar religion in theory so power isn't put in the hands of a few people.

[Flames_Gimp]

When I said it was worth it I didn't mean I think it improved Iraq. It was worth it to me because they got rid of that idiot, I like it when murdering dictators die

I could care less about Iraq, actually I think the best solution would be if the whole Middle East kills each other and the west just stays out of it!

Flame away!

[metallicat]

Killing people because your imaginary friend was mocked. Shameful.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Cain

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/w...ith-of-others/

The pope on the attacks.

Cherry picking obviously, but "You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others".

The vatican was one of the states to vote for the UN Blasphemy law, and sorry hip and cool Pope version 2.0, you are dead wrong, you can insult the faith of others, you should and we will

[Bagor]

Two suspected jihadists have been killed in an anti-terror operation in eastern Belgium, officials say.
Prosecutor Eric Van der Sypt said a third person had been arrested in the raid in Verviers, but no police or members of the public were harmed.
Mr Van der Sypt told reporters police had targeted a group returning from Syria who had been about to launch "large-scale" attacks.
Suspects had opened fire on police with assault weapons, he said.
"The suspects immediately and for several minutes opened fire with military weaponry and handguns on the special units of the federal police before they were neutralised," he said.
Anti-terror raids were also under way in the Brussels region, he added.
"We still expect a number of arrests," he said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30840160

Belgian police tonight shot dead two suspected Islamic State jihadists believed to have returned to Europe to carry out terrorist atrocities.Shots and explosions were heard, including machine gun fire, as officers moved against an alleged cell in the eastern town of Verviers, which is some 70 miles from Brussels.
Officials said the targets were a jihadist cell who had recently returned from Syria with orders to carry out terrorist attacks in Europe. One Flemish paper was reporting they intended to attack a police station.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hree-dead.html

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

When I said it was worth it I didn't mean I think it improved Iraq.

Well the term "worth it" is already comparative and implies the positives outweigh the negatives to you.
So you're essentially declaring:
Saddam Dead > Stability in the region, reducing the rise of fundamentalists like ISIS and millions of innocent civilian and soldier deaths.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Well the term "worth it" is already comparative and implies the positives outweigh the negatives to you.
So you're essentially declaring:
Saddam Dead > Stability in the region, reducing the rise of fundamentalists like ISIS and millions of innocent civilian and soldier deaths.

ISIS arose in Syria, not Iraq. Assad probably had the strongest hold on his country of all the dictatorships.

Hussein would be 77 years old if were still alive. Combine that with decades of Saudi, Iranian, and Qatari being poured into fundamentalist groups, and you have a strong argument that what's going on now was the inevitable.

I never supported the invasion of Iraq, but you cannot put all of the current chaos at it's feet.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by blankall

ISIS arose in Syria, not Iraq. Assad probably had the strongest hold on his country of all the dictatorships.

Hussein would be 77 years old if were still alive. Combine that with decades of Saudi, Iranian, and Qatari being poured into fundamentalist groups, and you have a strong argument that what's going on now was the inevitable.

I never supported the invasion of Iraq, but you cannot put all of the current chaos at it's feet.

ISIS would've likely never had the weapons or cash flow to become the threat they are now without help from the U.S.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by blankall

ISIS arose in Syria, not Iraq. Assad probably had the strongest hold on his country of all the dictatorships.

Hussein would be 77 years old if were still alive. Combine that with decades of Saudi, Iranian, and Qatari being poured into fundamentalist groups, and you have a strong argument that what's going on now was the inevitable.

I never supported the invasion of Iraq, but you cannot put all of the current chaos at it's feet.

ISIS was born in Iraq. ISIS would be nothing without it's Sunni powerbase from Iraq. They may have been first noticed in Syria (but only under their new name), but that's not what allowed them to bloom.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by nik-

ISIS was born in Iraq. ISIS would be nothing without it's Sunni powerbase from Iraq. They may have been first noticed in Syria (but only under their new name), but that's not what allowed them to bloom.

Actually it started in Syria . Iraqs Nouri al-Maliki joined forces with Syrias Al- Qaida plus angry protesters against the Assad regime.Isil (correct name) it was a joint effort with both Shia Islamists.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ors-isis-jihad

[afc wimbledon]

ISIS's strength came from its power base in the Sunni tribes of Iraq, the chaos in Syria was opportune for it as it gave them a safe base for operations in Syria and a great recruiting tool but they were/are an Iraqi group
Our invasion of Iraq gave militant extremists the perfect recruiting vehicle for disaffected Muslims, the open war that has followed has given them the training grounds in the same way the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan fostered the rise of jihadist groups then.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

ISIS's strength came from its power base in the Sunni tribes of Iraq, the chaos in Syria was opportune for it as it gave them a safe base for operations in Syria and a great recruiting tool but they were/are an Iraqi group
Our invasion of Iraq gave militant extremists the perfect recruiting vehicle for disaffected Muslims, the open war that has followed has given them the training grounds in the same way the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan fostered the rise of jihadist groups then.

I would agree with this, except with the use of our invasion of Iraq . Canadians were originally peace keepers in Afghanistan but WE as Canadians have no hand in the #### show the USA created in Iraq until very recent activities of historyuntill last year. Iraq was started all because of USA politics.

If you mean Canadians as "Our invasion of Iraq" you are dead wrong. That was all the good US of A We(Canadians) had no initial hand in invading Iraq.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I would agree with this, except with the use of our invasion of Iraq . Canadians were originally peace keepers in Afghanistan but WE as Canadians have no hand in the #### show the USA created in Iraq until very recent activities of historyuntill last year. Iraq was started all because of USA politics.

If you mean Canadians as "Our invasion of Iraq" you are dead wrong. That was all the good US of A We(Canadians) had no initial hand in invading Iraq.

I'm using the royal 'we' as in the 'west'.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

So I guess that's a "no, I can't be specific". Gotcha.

How about this: AFC Wimbeldon was trying to transfer is own fundamentalist Christian guilt onto an entire society of people because a US president launched a war that had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with religion, and used it in a backhanded effort to rationalize or even justify these acts of violence.

Frankly, AFC Wimbledon can shove his bigoted rhetoric regarding "us Christians" up his ass.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

How about this: AFC Wimbeldon was trying to transfer is own fundamentalist Christian guilt onto an entire society of people because a US president launched a war that had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with religion, and used it in a backhanded effort to rationalize or even justify these acts of violence.

I didn't think that's what AFC was doing, but the victim blaming in this thread, particularly by 2 posters who would be the first to accuse others of that in another context, has been pretty disgusting.

[Ozy_Flame]

Anyways, protests against blasphemy have been occuring in a number of muslim countries.

http://rt.com/news/223255-muslims-pr...charlie-hebdo/

Organizers stated that “freedom of expression does not extend to insulting the noble and the greatest prophet of Allah,” The Guardian reported.

[CaptainCrunch]

I was half listening to the news this morning and there was a mass protest in Pakistan where a reporter was shot by a protester.

Things are really becoming unglued.

[Resolute 14]

Unglued the same way they did after the Danish cartoons were published. People protested in places like Pakistan, destroyed pieces of their own country in outrage over what other people in other countries did, the furor died down, life went on.