[Trade] [CGY/FLA] Drew Shore for Corban Knight

[zyzz]

Originally Posted by dammage79

To be more accurate " a big lug with stone hands".

Weird though as most highlights show some pretty sweet mitts on the guy.

Ha sweet mitts. Rob Schremp.

[zyzz]

Originally Posted by btimbit

How dare I question the best analysis of hockey "btimbit" and his golden retriever

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by zyzz

How dare I question the best analysis of hockey "btimbit" and his golden retriever

Yeah your better than everyone with that meme and phrase. Congratulations, bravo, we got a hero here

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I'm really not surprised you son't understand since you refer to both players as "dufus". Shore will be called up sooner rather than later, waiving McGrattan will allow the Flames to demote McGrattan and recall Shore.

This is a classic dufus-for-dufus deal. Two minor league players at the end of their development cycle who are both caught in the depth crunch and have no where to go. Shore and Knight are very similar players. Good size, good skill set, right shooters, and both centers who haven't liked the idea of adapting to right wing. Outside of some youtube clips I don't see a lot of difference between the two players nor the great upside advantage we just gleaned in the deal. He plays one more game in the NHL and he's a waiver problem. Not that the Flames gave up much value to get him, but it would seem silly to make that investment unless he is ready over a player that needs more development. I'm curious which center we send down to bring up Shore?

If McGrattan was waived to make room for Shore, then why wasn't Shore on a plane to Vancouver instead of Adirondack? The baby Flames don't have another game for five days, and if McGrattan was waived to make room on the roster for another player, then why send that player to a team that won't be playing for almost a week? Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Seems this is nothing than two unrelated transactions that just happen to made within 12 hours of each other and not some brilliant managerial move to add an up and coming star to our lineup.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is a classic dufus-for-dufus deal. Two minor league players at the end of their development cycle who are both caught in the depth crunch and have no where to go. Shore and Knight are very similar players. Good size, good skill set, right shooters, and both centers who haven't liked the idea of adapting to right wing. Outside of some youtube clips I don't see a lot of difference between the two players nor the great upside advantage we just gleaned in the deal. He plays one more game in the NHL and he's a waiver problem. Not that the Flames gave up much value to get him, but it would seem silly to make that investment unless he is ready over a player that needs more development. I'm curious which center we send down to bring up Shore?

If McGrattan was waived to make room for Shore, then why wasn't Shore on a plane to Vancouver instead of Adirondack? The baby Flames don't have another game for five days, and if McGrattan was waived to make room on the roster for another player, then why send that player to a team that won't be playing for almost a week? Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Seems this is nothing than two unrelated transactions that just happen to made within 12 hours of each other and not some brilliant managerial move to add an up and coming star to our lineup.

Bill Arnold going down with an injury might have made it the sensible move to assign Shore to Adirondack.

I have a feeling Granlund will be demoted soon. He's been off the pace a bit lately and Shore's big frame will be needed on the West Coast road trip next week.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Yep. For some reason I thought he was a center. Still having Barkov, Bjugs and Bolland up the middle doesn't really give much of a chance to play.

And Trocheck.

[neo45]

The real winner here is Shore and the massive loser is Knight. He has to go to an org he refused to sign with because of their centre depth. Really not good for a guy trying to break into the league

[Vulcan]

It may turn out to be a dufus for dufus deal but to me Knight had hit the end of his development with us so why not take a chance on a player with a little better pedigree. He may turn out to be useful and he's still young enough to develop some more. I think he's a bit of an upgrade and I believe it helps to build a team making these small moves that give us depth.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by AC

Wait, what was it before you edited it? Something about your friend's girlfriend being from Colorado, and she said Shore was a lunkhead with stone hands?

What is even stranger is that Shore was the highest scoring player for Denver on a team that was top 10 in goals scored/game in the NCAA.

Hard to understand how someone from Colorado would describe him as having stone hands.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

To reiterate what I said earlier, Knight is in a nearly identical situation in Florida as he was here, stuck behind better players at the NHL level. Panthers have 2 studs in Barkov and Bjugstad, a veteran signed to a long term deal that is very nearly untradeable in Bolland, and then several solid prospects who have shown more in the NHL to this point, mostly Trocheck who seems to have permanently made the jump. Also Jayce Hawryluk and Kyle Rau are nice prospects who are on their way. Knight is likely a career AHLer or tweener, but he could make the jump to at least be a 4th line center if he improves just a little bit.

Shore coming back the other way is definitely worth more than a bag of pucks, and most certainly isn't a doofus (nor is Knight). I think he could step in very soon and be a solid 3rd line center, or 4th behind Stajan when he's going well. He is a moderately better player than Knight, but he's not the second coming of Gretzky or anything. A good player that might fit well on the right wing if we can't find a spot for him at center.

Markus looks a little lost out there and clearly needs some more seasoning in the AHL, but he's close. Jooris looks destined to stick as a bottom 6 player, either at center or wing, but he could fall off just as quickly as he arrived on the scene. We won't know for sure until he plays the full season.

Shore is a player that fits a need, and might only be a stop gap until we get some higher level prospects in his position, but he can play in the NHL and he does things well at both ends of the ice. Not sure what there is to dislike about this move.

[bob-loblaw]

What I'm trying to figure out, is if Shore is the player that everyone thinks he is, how did we only manage to give up Knight for him? Knight has slid down our depth chart since he came here. Is it just his waiver ineligibility?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

What I'm trying to figure out, is if Shore is the player that everyone thinks he is, how did we only manage to give up Knight for him? Knight has slid down our depth chart since he came here. Is it just his waiver ineligibility?

I don't know why per se, but the panthers couldn't keep him. They had no roster spot for him and couldn't use him as a depth center so they were stuck

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

What I'm trying to figure out, is if Shore is the player that everyone thinks he is, how did we only manage to give up Knight for him? Knight has slid down our depth chart since he came here. Is it just his waiver ineligibility?

It's a huge part of it.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

What I'm trying to figure out, is if Shore is the player that everyone thinks he is, how did we only manage to give up Knight for him? Knight has slid down our depth chart since he came here. Is it just his waiver ineligibility?

Trade him for something, or lose him for nothing. The same circumstances that led to Colborne landing here.

[Enoch Root]

Yes, his waiver ineligibility forced their hand.

Also, most teams (and the Flames definitely fall into this category) believe that treating players well is the right thing to do, and will pay dividends over time.

Shore deserves a chance, but doesn't fit into Florida's plans. So they looked to send him somewhere where he would get a chance (they did the right thing). Fortunately for the Flames, that was going to be in the western conference.

Also, as someone astutely observed earlier, the Flames took the high road by sending Florida a 4th for Knight, instead of just waiting to grab him for free. It seems pretty likely to me, that that played into Florida being willing to deal with the Flames again here.

GMs are a small, tight community. Dealing honourably and fairly keeps doors and phone line open. Sometimes, you reap what you've sown.

[Enoch Root]

For Florida, Shore was going to be an AHLer. They traded him for Knight, who is also a solid AHL C. So they gave Shore a chance, without hurting their organization.

And they sent Shore to a western team.

Despite the fact that the Flames likely got the better player, it isn't a bad trade for Florida either.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Bet Edmonton wishes they hung onto arcobello for something like this, as Shore likely plays the rest of the season out in a decent role on that roster.

[Plett25]

Exactly.

There are many differences between the Flames' rebuild and the Oilers' rebuild. The Flames have had better free agent signings, better picks late in the draft, better development and better college scouting/signings of undrafted college players.

But the Flames have also done a better job of picking up players like Russell, Colbourne and now Shore. These guys are almost fully developed and stuck in the AHL due to another team's organizational depth. The Flames picked these guys up for next to nothing nothing and it is the little moves like this that have also accelerated our rebuild.

But the Oilers are better at picking 1st overall... so at least they have that going for them, which is nice.

[BurningSteel]

Im Shore this is a good thing. 100% Shore.

Thank you I will exit starge left.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Bet Edmonton wishes they hung onto arcobello for something like this, as Shore likely plays the rest of the season out in a decent role on that roster.

Florida said they wanted to do Shore a "solid", sending him to edmonton would definitely not be a solid.