Police shooting of unarmed teen leads to protests and Riot

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Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Every time I see this, I wonder what the number is and how the jobs shake out if you factor out "accidental" danger. From every list I saw, most jobs are ACCIDENTALLY dangerous. You do something dumb at work or are not paying attention or a co-worker does something dumb and...dead. The rest are driving related (truck drivers and taxi drivers) due to traffic concerns (no surprise there, really, driving is dangerous).

Does it matter how you die when you want to consider which jobs are the most dangerous? Dying because some jerk shot you because he didn't want to go to jail, or dying because you drowned at sea trying to bring money home crabbing is equally pointless and tragic isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

Does it matter how you die when you want to consider which jobs are the most dangerous? Dying because some jerk shot you because he didn't want to go to jail, or dying because you drowned at sea trying to bring money home crabbing is equally pointless and tragic isn't it?

Are you truly comparing an offender, murdering an officer, someone who's sworn to uphold the law and order within society, in cold blood over a boating accident?

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Originally Posted by jar_e

Are you truly comparing an offender, murdering an officer, someone who's sworn to uphold the law and order within society, in cold blood over a boating accident?

Can you perhaps rephrase that question to be more condescending?

Edit: and yes. Someone dying at work from an accident is just as tragic as a cop shot in the line of duty. Human lives matter. What a vile thing to suggest otherwise.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Can you perhaps rephrase that question to be more condescending?

Edit: and yes. Someone dying at work from an accident is just as tragic as a cop shot in the line of duty. Human lives matter. What a vile thing to suggest otherwise.

I think its vile to suggest that we are comparing a workplace accident to someone being murdered. There's a huge difference. Trying to minimize when a cop is murdered in the line of duty is rather ridiculous to me. If you had compared a convenience store clerk who was murdered on the job to a police officer being murdered, I'd feel that's a much more accurate comparison.

Furthermore, as society, we should be incredibly concerned anytime an officer is killed in cold blood, given the fact that as much as this thread is rightfully critical of their actions, they are still the ones appointed to uphold the law.

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Originally Posted by jar_e

I think its vile to suggest that we are comparing a workplace accident to someone being murdered. There's a huge difference. Trying to minimize when a cop is murdered in the line of duty is rather ridiculous to me. If you had compared a convenience store clerk who was murdered on the job to a police officer being murdered, I'd feel that's a much more accurate comparison.

Furthermore, as society, we should be incredibly concerned anytime an officer is killed in cold blood, given the fact that as much as this thread is rightfully critical of their actions, they are still the ones appointed to uphold the law.

We aren't going to agree because I don't and can't agree with the assertion you're making that cops lives matter more. Because that's what you're doing.

To your second point, it's moot, because cops aren't gunned down at alarming rates. The job isn't as. Dangerous as many many other professions.


Edit: you keep saying accident. As if trying to minimize the point that these are fatalities. Jesus Christ.

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

We aren't going to agree because I don't and can't agree with the assertion you're making that cops lives matter more. Because that's what you're doing.

To your second point, it's moot, because cops aren't gunned down at alarming rates. The job isn't as. Dangerous as many many other professions.


Edit: you keep saying accident. As if trying to minimize the point that these are fatalities. Jesus Christ.

He's not says a cops life matters more, any loss of life is tragic. A firefighter dies fighting a fire, that's is tragic, a construction working falling at a site and dying is tragic. A cop being gunned down while on duty is murder, still tragic. How you can compare a work place accident to murder is stunning!

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Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

He's not says a cops life matters more, any loss of life is tragic. A firefighter dies fighting a fire, that's is tragic, a construction working falling at a site and dying is tragic. A cop being gunned down while on duty is murder, still tragic. How you can compare a work place accident to murder is stunning!

Someone drowning while fishing to feed his family and a cop shot in line of duty are both equally sad and tragic. Dunno what else to say.

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

Someone drowning while fishing to feed his family and a cop shot in line of duty are both equally sad and tragic. Dunno what else to say.

They are both tragedies but not similar.

Theres a Big difference between being murdered while putting oneself in danger for the good of the common man, and falling of a boat and drowning.

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Resurrection.... So a child dies in a playground accident (falls off a swing) and a child that is murdered is the same?

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Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Resurrection.... So a child dies in a playground accident (falls off a swing) and a child that is murdered is the same?

same in terms of what? what kind of question is that?

tragedy? yeah. wanna know why? cuz both kids are ####ing dead. both kids families and parents are equally devastated.

Hey fun experiment if you disagree with me. Go talk to someone who's spouse has died suddenly for any reason like illness, car accident, falling off a boat and drowning, etc. Tell them "hey at least they weren't murdered, am I right?"

See how that goes.

You guys are being trolled by one of the best.

And Combustible, thanks for the warning... you take great offence when someone that disagrees with you fires one across the bow. But when someone you agree with does it, it's fair game.

Originally Posted by Resurrection

same in terms of what? what kind of question is that?

tragedy? yeah. wanna know why? cuz both kids are ####ing dead. both kids families and parents are equally devastated.

Hey fun experiment if you disagree with me. Go talk to someone who's spouse has died suddenly for any reason like illness, car accident, falling off a boat and drowning, etc. Tell them "hey at least they weren't murdered, am I right?"

See how that goes.

And you took great offence with the condescending tone of the post above.

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Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

And you took great offence with the condescending tone of the post above.

I don't even really know what the debate is. Preventable deaths are always tragic, and trying to label one kind as more tragic than the other is silly, offensive, and meaningless. I'm actually kind of shocked that people would think that a murder is more tragic than an accident. Maybe more preventable? I am honestly lost on this one when it comes to others train of thought.

Originally Posted by Resurrection

We aren't going to agree because I don't and can't agree with the assertion you're making that cops lives matter more. Because that's what you're doing.

To your second point, it's moot, because cops aren't gunned down at alarming rates. The job isn't as. Dangerous as many many other professions.


Edit: you keep saying accident. As if trying to minimize the point that these are fatalities. Jesus Christ.

Oh what the heck, I'll bite. How dangerous do you think it is? And what are you basing it on? Fatalities? Murders? Accidental deaths? First hand experience? Movies? TV's?

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Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Oh what the heck, I'll bite. How dangerous do you think it is? And what are you basing it on? Fatalities? Murders? Accidental deaths? First hand experience? Movies? TV's?

Yes, I watched 24 and it seems that the police and Jack Baeur always escape...

Forbes 10 deadliest jobs, a very recent article.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kathrynd...eadliest-jobs/

Logging Workers
Fishers And Related Fishing Workers
Aircraft Pilots And Flight Engineers
Roofers
Refuse And Recyclable Material Collectors
Mining Machine Operators
Driver/Sales Workers and Truck Drivers
Farmers, Ranchers, And Other Agricultural Managers
Electrical Power-Line Installers And Repairers
Construction Laborers

I'm sure different lists will have them placed in different order but thats the 1st article that came up from a reputable source.

edit: a questionable reddit source claims that in 2012 3 police offers in Germany were killed. Quite a stark contrast if that number is in fact true.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

You guys are being trolled by one of the best.

And Combustible, thanks for the warning... you take great offence when someone that disagrees with you fires one across the bow. But when someone you agree with does it, it's fair game.

No . I have a problem with someone shooting off a one liner looking to cause nothing but an argument in a condescending tone. Like this post I quoted.

Stick to the topic not on individual posters.

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

No . I have a problem with someone shooting off a one liner looking to cause nothing but an argument in a condescending tone. Like this post I quoted.

Stick to the topic not on individual posters.

Ya know what dude... You stick to doing what you do, and try not to worry about others and the mods.

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Yes, I watched 24 and it seems that the police and Jack Baeur always escape...

Forbes 10 deadliest jobs, a very recent article.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kathrynd...eadliest-jobs/

Logging Workers
Fishers And Related Fishing Workers
Aircraft Pilots And Flight Engineers
Roofers
Refuse And Recyclable Material Collectors
Mining Machine Operators
Driver/Sales Workers and Truck Drivers
Farmers, Ranchers, And Other Agricultural Managers
Electrical Power-Line Installers And Repairers
Construction Laborers

I'm sure different lists will have them placed in different order but thats the 1st article that came up from a reputable source.

edit: a questionable reddit source claims that in 2012 3 police offers in Germany were killed. Quite a stark contrast if that number is in fact true.

So your opinion is based on a Google search of the deadliest professions (fatalities). Doesn't that seem a little simplistic?

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Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

So your opinion is based on a Google search of the deadliest professions (fatalities). Doesn't that seem a little simplistic?

No its based on data gathered by a reputable source.

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

No its based on data gathered by a reputable source.

That's all fine and dandy, but that reputable source should really go a little deeper than just rates.

Using that same list but then looking into it in terms of how dangerous are these jobs are in raw numbers, it looks like this


Drivers / sales workers and truck drivers - 683
Farmers and ranchers - 300
Police and sheriff's patrol officers - 133
Industrial machinery repair and installation - 96
Aircraft pilots and flight engineers - 70
Roofers - 57
Logging workers - 59
Fishers and related fishing workers - 29
Refuse and recyclable material collectors - 26
Mining machine operators - 23


Its silly to even suggest that policing isnt a dangerous job, it really is no matter what anecdotal evidence some may want to spin. There is a reason they have to carry firearms afterall.

http://criminologycareers.about.com/...ce-Careers.htm