[Trade] Oilers trade Mark Arcobello to Nashville for Derek Roy

[CaptainCrunch]

This does nothing to shake up that room, unless you count on bringing in another smallish weak center with poor defensive skills and an offensive game that's fled him.

On top of that Roy is not a guy that's going to bring a lot of character or effort into the room.

A shakeup would be the Oilers breaking up their terrible leadership group or sending one of their mainstays out to balance that roster.

I don't know what the intent of this trade is unless the idea is to send LD back down to juniors. LD wasn't a difference maker there, Roy won't be a difference maker at all, and he might sour that room a little bit more.

I'm betting that a bunch of Oilers are looking at each other and saying "This is supposed to make us better how?"

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

As per Friedman's 30 thoughts...

13. Asked for some clarification, and it was received: even if Leon Draisaitl is returned to juniors, he will remain as one of Edmonton’s 50 allotted pro contracts because he played more than 11 NHL games. Jesse Joensuu stays on, too, even though he is overseas. That’s one of the reasons the Oilers traded for Derek Roy instead of claiming him on waivers.

Grabbing Matt Fraser puts them at 47. Getting too close to 50 hurts flexibility, and the Oilers worked to drop a couple when they were right up against it a year ago.

Where in the hell did they find almost 50 guys that no good?

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

As per Friedman's 30 thoughts...

13. Asked for some clarification, and it was received: even if Leon Draisaitl is returned to juniors, he will remain as one of Edmonton’s 50 allotted pro contracts because he played more than 11 NHL games. Jesse Joensuu stays on, too, even though he is overseas. That’s one of the reasons the Oilers traded for Derek Roy instead of claiming him on waivers.

Grabbing Matt Fraser puts them at 47. Getting too close to 50 hurts flexibility, and the Oilers worked to drop a couple when they were right up against it a year ago.

So it wasn't a grand master plan to get worse and further tank? Thanks for the clarification. I for one am very thankful that they didn't keep Arcobello because could you imagine how fast they would have skyrocketed up the standings? We're fighting for a playoff spot and the last thing we need is a team having that kind of center depth. Would have been scary. Thanks god Mac T cares more about sabotaging his own career than trying to help it.

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by Hackey

So it wasn't a grand master plan to get worse and further tank? Thanks for the clarification. I for one am very thankful that they didn't keep Arcobello because could you imagine how fast they would have skyrocketed up the standings? We're fighting for a playoff spot and the last thing we need is a team having that kind of center depth. Would have been scary. Thanks god Mac T cares more about sabotaging his own career than trying to help it.

Are you like this when you interact with other people face-to-face or is this just your insufferable asshat CP board schtick?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Hackey

So it wasn't a grand master plan to get worse and further tank? Thanks for the clarification. I for one am very thankful that they didn't keep Arcobello because could you imagine how fast they would have skyrocketed up the standings? We're fighting for a playoff spot and the last thing we need is a team having that kind of center depth. Would have been scary. Thanks god Mac T cares more about sabotaging his own career than trying to help it.

What don't you get? Seemed pretty clear to me most people who mentioned intentional tanking were joking. The question remains, despite your perceptive view on Arcobello, that Edmonton lacks depth at center and yet may end up with less depth there if they send Draisatl back to juniors.

But way to keep things honest here.

[Yamer]

At the worst, the moves the Oil have made over the last couple days are simply treading water. At best, it's an attempt to shake up the roster and inject experience and external influence into the dressing room.

Either way, picking up Fraser and trading for Roy aren't nearly as bad of moves as the last 9 pages of this thread would suggest. Edmonton is still going to finish bottom 3, draft a generational talent, and continue to flounder by way of sheer ignorance and stubbornness.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by the2bears

What don't you get? Seemed pretty clear to me most people who mentioned intentional tanking were joking. The question remains, despite your perceptive view on Arcobello, that Edmonton lacks depth at center and yet may end up with less depth there if they send Draisatl back to juniors.

But way to keep things honest here.

Their list of problems extends far beyond center depth, especially 4th line center depth. Just funny that you care so much about such miniscule moves. Then again I'm sure you would find a way to twist absolutely anything the Oilers did or didn't do into tanking.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Their list of problems extends far beyond center depth, especially 4th line center depth. Just funny that you care so much about such miniscule moves. Then again I'm sure you would find a way to twist absolutely anything the Oilers did or didn't do into tanking.

No body has to twist anything to insinuate that the inept management of the Oilers makes it (as MacT would put it) "Visually" appear to be a full on tank.

As you say, they have a large list of problems, extending far beyond their Center depth. But their center depth is likely the biggest weakness. Dallas Eakins even came out and said he was given 2 NHL Centers to start the season.
MacT has let other centers slide through waivers all season, admittedly, because they aren't the players they once were, which is why they are on waivers. But the majority would have been upgrades for the Oilers. He has had ample opportunity to make his team, even marginally better, for free. Yet, time and time again, overlooked every opportunity. When Roy cleared waivers, it was another example of MacT blatantly not giving a crap, or making any sort of attempt to better the team, who is the laughing stock of the league. When news broke that he had infact acquired Roy, the mood changed, until it was found out that the cost was arguably a better centerman. And the reasoning? To keep contract numbers down. Even though he had just claimed a winger, who is possibly an upgrade on the 4th line, and added that contract.
So he was willing to take on a contract to upgrade a position that they really didn't need to upgrade, yet, created a larger hole, to fill it with less dirt in their bigeest position of weakness..
The desire to send Draisaitl down at the 40 game mark, means they needed to add a center, which they were given the opportunity to do, but instead, MacT made the weakness, even weaker.
I'm not sure it takes a bias opinion from a rival fan, to point out, that the move made absolutely no sense. Even the media is swinging it, as a move for the future, because they are looking to next season at this point, and shoring up the Center position via the draft.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Hackey

So it wasn't a grand master plan to get worse and further tank? Thanks for the clarification. I for one am very thankful that they didn't keep Arcobello because could you imagine how fast they would have skyrocketed up the standings? We're fighting for a playoff spot and the last thing we need is a team having that kind of center depth. Would have been scary. Thanks god Mac T cares more about sabotaging his own career than trying to help it.

Please try to find a way to make your points without being so snotty about it. You don't seem to have a lot of respect for this board overall.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

Arcobello had zero value. He's an AHL player. Nashville will probably use him as a spare part for now, but more than likely will be on the waiver wire at some point when they need his roster spot. His inclusion was preferable for the Oilers since he has some guaranteed money... he essentially had negative trade value because of the guaranteed money. Nashville would likely prefer to have a guy they could call up and down on a 2 way contract. Make no mistake, Nashville preferred Roy be claimed on waivers then they had to trade for him. Otherwise, they would have never put him on waivers. My guess is the Oilers offered this up for awhile, but Nashville wanted to check to see if anyone would take him for nothing off waivers. When it was clear that nobody would, they took the next best thing (saving 400k on Roy).

And don't take this as a viewpoint that this is a great trade for the Oilers. They could have just as easily had Roy in the off-season for $1M, and since then, his value has only gone down. if he doesn't turn it around he wont be getting any guaranteed money next year, will only be try-outs.

I think the Oilers are simply doing this to mix up the roster a bit, show the fans they are at least taking the free talent that becomes available, and to a degree improve the veteran prescence there. Say what you will about Roy, but he does have NHL talent. He can contribute if used the right way (sheltered minutes ES and has good hands on the PP). In his prime he was a very good #2 C.

Arcobello on the other hand is not a serviceable NHL player. He is a fringy guy best served being used in the AHL and as a call-up. Having at least NHL calibre talent such as Roy may not hold back his linemates as much as they were with Arcobello.

Agree with the bold entirely, but he was their 4th best center in the organization and had value to them. They could've traded an AHL player for him too.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by indes

Agree with the bold entirely, but he was their 4th best center in the organization and had value to them. They could've traded an AHL player for him too.

The point was probably to not take on much salary in the process.

Roy isn't worth $1M.. they essentially flipped him into the line-up for a pro-rated $400k rather than $1M. Considering Arcobello would likely lose his ice time with Roy's inclusion, no use keeping him around unless you think he has a future. The Oilers finally realized he didn't.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

The point was probably to not take on much salary in the process.

Roy isn't worth $1M.. they essentially flipped him into the line-up for a pro-rated $400k rather than $1M. Considering Arcobello would likely lose his ice time with Roy's inclusion, no use keeping him around unless you think he has a future. The Oilers finally realized he didn't.

Most of this thread has been about how Edmonton could send Drasaitl down if they acquired another center. They gave one of their 3 centers away for another center a team was willing to get rid of for free.

[calumniate]

They traded a centre for a winger. Better than gagner for Purcell. Oilers positives!

[Matt Reeeeead]

Well they are obviously able to send him down. I can't imagine that arcebello or whoever replaces him is going to move the needle much in either direction.


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[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Their list of problems extends far beyond center depth, especially 4th line center depth. Just funny that you care so much about such miniscule moves. Then again I'm sure you would find a way to twist absolutely anything the Oilers did or didn't do into tanking.

I never said this move was evidence of tanking, in case you actually cared to read what has been written in this thread. I just don't understand why you'd defend this deal at all costs. It's *you* that seems to care so much about this move, making up straw men to argue against.