[Trade] Oilers trade Mark Arcobello to Nashville for Derek Roy

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

Eric Duhatschek was saying on the fan yesterday that these are the kind of trades that a GM will use to shake up a room, more than anything else.

I can understand what MacTavish is trying to go for here from a personnel standpoint, but am unsure that it will be effective. From what I see, there are big challenges in the room in getting the team to play like a team and play a system. They need pros that will follow direction and not get emotionally caught up in results (or lack thereof).

So, the GM is adding a veteran pro to the room to balance out the attitude issues, but I haven't read a lot of good things about Roy's attitude or work ethic. Does he have any connections with the coaching staff?

Does trading a scrub player for another scrub player really shake anything up? If anything it just cements to 'core' players they are still bullet proof - just like every other move they've make.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by MattyC

So they trade Arcobello for Roy and will likely send Draisatl down. Doesn't that net them even less NHL centres than before?

Unless they do something else this is an odd combination of moves.

they'll probably call up Lander and go with RNH-Roy-Gordon-Lander for the rest of the year. Gives them a little bit more size than RNH-Roy-Arcobello-Gordon (if they had simply claimed Roy), but Lander has done zip so far in his NHL career.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I think the funniest thing about this is that they traded a pending UFA who will probably not get signed again and gave the Predators an RFA.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Samuelsson

The thing is, we all laugh but they're a few months away from having a one in four chance of taking one of the highest-touted players there's been since Crosby.

Fyp

And yes, it's going to be hilarious when they lose that, too.

[Street Pharmacist]

The oilers aren't getting McDavid. McDavid goes to the lottery winner and at best the oilers get a 20% chance. I already view Eichel as an Oiler and I'm already trying to find ways to dislike him

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Fyp

And yes, it's going to be hilarious when they lose that, too.

If they do, they have a pretty nice guaranteed consolation prize in the 2nd pick overall.

[Rerun]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Samuelsson
The thing is, we all laugh but they're a few months away from having a one in four chance of taking one of the highest-touted players there's been since Crosby.

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Fyp

And yes, it's going to be hilarious when they lose that, too.

Shouldn't that read one in five chance?

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by indes

I think my favorite part is that Nashville got Arcobello for someone they were prepared to let go for nothing. Any other team gets Roy for a 6th/7th.

Arcobello had zero value. He's an AHL player. Nashville will probably use him as a spare part for now, but more than likely will be on the waiver wire at some point when they need his roster spot. His inclusion was preferable for the Oilers since he has some guaranteed money... he essentially had negative trade value because of the guaranteed money. Nashville would likely prefer to have a guy they could call up and down on a 2 way contract. Make no mistake, Nashville preferred Roy be claimed on waivers then they had to trade for him. Otherwise, they would have never put him on waivers. My guess is the Oilers offered this up for awhile, but Nashville wanted to check to see if anyone would take him for nothing off waivers. When it was clear that nobody would, they took the next best thing (saving 400k on Roy).

And don't take this as a viewpoint that this is a great trade for the Oilers. They could have just as easily had Roy in the off-season for $1M, and since then, his value has only gone down. if he doesn't turn it around he wont be getting any guaranteed money next year, will only be try-outs.

I think the Oilers are simply doing this to mix up the roster a bit, show the fans they are at least taking the free talent that becomes available, and to a degree improve the veteran prescence there. Say what you will about Roy, but he does have NHL talent. He can contribute if used the right way (sheltered minutes ES and has good hands on the PP). In his prime he was a very good #2 C.

Arcobello on the other hand is not a serviceable NHL player. He is a fringy guy best served being used in the AHL and as a call-up. Having at least NHL calibre talent such as Roy may not hold back his linemates as much as they were with Arcobello.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Does trading a scrub player for another scrub player really shake anything up? If anything it just cements to 'core' players they are still bullet proof - just like every other move they've make.

If you're in the position where you're trading plugs for plugs just to shake up the dressing room it probably shows that you've completely run out of ideas. The fact that Lowe and MacTavish are still anywhere near that franchise is one of the great mysteries of our age.

I'm really glad the Calgary Flames didn't go down the 'Old Boys Club' nepotism route when hiring the management staff.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Rerun

If they do, they have a pretty nice guaranteed consolation prize in the 2nd pick overall.

Not that Jack Eichel Isn't a great player, but he's no McDavid. I have faith that the Oilers will find a way to ruin Eichel like they do all their young players. I'm not totally confident even the Oilers could find a way to screw up McDavid.

Originally Posted by Rerun

Shouldn't that read one in five chance?

Afaik it drops down to 20% after this draft. For 2015 the worst team still gets a 25% shot at 1st. But I may be mistaken.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Afaik it drops down to 20% after this draft. For 2015 the worst team still gets a 25% shot at 1st. But I may be mistaken.

It drops to 20% this year. Next year is when they will start having a lottery for the second and third picks.

[ricosuave]

As per Friedman's 30 thoughts...

13. Asked for some clarification, and it was received: even if Leon Draisaitl is returned to juniors, he will remain as one of Edmonton’s 50 allotted pro contracts because he played more than 11 NHL games. Jesse Joensuu stays on, too, even though he is overseas. That’s one of the reasons the Oilers traded for Derek Roy instead of claiming him on waivers.

Grabbing Matt Fraser puts them at 47. Getting too close to 50 hurts flexibility, and the Oilers worked to drop a couple when they were right up against it a year ago.

[monkeyman]

As much as we all want to believe the oil are no good all the time, this was the smart move. It gives them flexibility moving forward and will allow them to trade him at the deadline(if he can turn his game around). Let's all just hope this pulls them out of bottom two contention because I don't want to spend the next ten years playing against and listening about Connor McDavid or Jack Eichel from oily fans. Look how unbearable they were with "Vlad Hockey"... Just the thought makes me want to puke.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

As per Friedman's 30 thoughts...

13. Asked for some clarification, and it was received: even if Leon Draisaitl is returned to juniors, he will remain as one of Edmonton’s 50 allotted pro contracts because he played more than 11 NHL games. Jesse Joensuu stays on, too, even though he is overseas. That’s one of the reasons the Oilers traded for Derek Roy instead of claiming him on waivers.

Grabbing Matt Fraser puts them at 47. Getting too close to 50 hurts flexibility, and the Oilers worked to drop a couple when they were right up against it a year ago.

Thanks for clarifying this.

[SeeGeeWhy]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Does trading a scrub player for another scrub player really shake anything up? If anything it just cements to 'core' players they are still bullet proof - just like every other move they've make.

I didn't say it was going to be effective, just parroting what Duha had to say and he's been around the game at a deep level for a long time, so I give his comments a good deal of weight. We'll have to see the games get played to see if there is any impact.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

As much as we all want to believe the oil are no good all the time, this was the smart move. It gives them flexibility moving forward and will allow them to trade him at the deadline(if he can turn his game around). Let's all just hope this pulls them out of bottom two contention because I don't want to spend the next ten years playing against and listening about Connor McDavid or Jack Eichel from oily fans. Look how unbearable they were with "Vlad Hockey"... Just the thought makes me want to puke.

Edmonton isn't getting McDavid. Let's clear that up. Eichel is a legitimate concern though

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Edmonton isn't getting McDavid. Let's clear that up. Eichel is a legitimate concern though

I guess i'm not as convinced as many of an NHL conspiracy...

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I will say, it used to drive me nuts a few years back, when the Flames were clearly denying their situation, not yet started the rebuild and spinning their wheels, when every single move the made was deemed a "bad move" because it was the "big move" that clearly the team needed to make at some time. Every single trade, some that were decent got lambasted by the media, and most of our opposition fans because it wasn't either the trading of the core for picks and prospects, or it wasn't a trade for a legit first line center to play with Iggy.

Well, those bigger moves are hard to make. First line centers don't fall on your lap for example (especially when you lack the assets to get them) and trading away the former core players requires careful thought and the right timing to get it done (something the Flames failed at IMO). But it doesn't mean every other minor move was a bad one. The Oilers, situation is a different of course in regards to what they need to do, but are falling victim a little bit to the same situation. Does MacT really think bringing in Roy is the answer to all their wowes.........I doubt it. Does this mean he's not working on a shake up of that young talented core................of course not. But that deal (if he's going to make it) will take time to orchestrate, but it doesn't mean every single more minor deal he makes until then is "hot garbage" because it's not the "big shake up" the team really needs.

Now having said all that, even with acknowledging that not every trade needs to be the "big one" for them to be good, this trade does still leave me confused as it seems nothing more than GIGO, but still a lot of folks ripping the trade because it's not a "big enough change up" which I don't think is fair at this point in time...........even if he wants to make a huge change, he'll need more time to do it.

[wretched34]

I don't think people are blasting the trade because it's not the "Big Trade" they need to make.
People are blasting the trade, because MacT traded from the area of weakness they were trying to strengthen by acquiring Roy, and quite possibly, traded the better asset.

Sure, Arcobello was far from a top 2 center, but so is Roy at this point in his career. Arco is younger, possibly with some potential still in him, and was RFA at year end, Roy has been in a decline for years, and is UFA.
With the struggles the Oilers have attracting Free Agents, and the astonishing lack of depth down the middle, why would you trade away a guy who you have rights to, for a guy that is going to walk away as soon as he can.
Oh wait, I know why..... because they are looking towards next year, where they start the season with McDavid, RNH, Draisaitl, Gordon/Hendricks down the middle. Which is where the tanking issue comes into play.

[BloodFetish]

He's following the same career-path as Dubnyk so I'm staying tuned for Laviolette's comments about Arcobello needing to unlearn Oilers first, and then hoping for a useful career as a non-Oiler.