Police shooting of unarmed teen leads to protests and Riot

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Canadian law enforcement does not = American law enforcement.

This is something I notice in almost all Canadians when speaking about the issues of policing in the U.S. Most folks seem to conflate U.S. and Canadian police into one homogenous force.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Talk about childish behaviour by the NYPD today "Shunning" the mayor because he supported people's right to protest.

He did a lot worse then that, coming out and saying he has warned his mixed raced son about the police department, coming from mayor who has 24 hr police protection. Deblasio is a joke of a mayor' and his words and actions of late have really ticked off the NYPD.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by rubecube

^^ It also really depends on the city in Canada. I've only had one really negative incident with CPS and they're generally fairly laid back and approachable. VanPD and VicPD/SaanichPD on the other hand seem to go out of their way to be #######s towards the general public. All of this is completely anecdotal of course, although I haven't seen any reports of CPS exploiting prostitutes like VanPD has done in the past.

That's because they had the same Police Chief. Jamie Graham.

He was literally outed in Van then Placed as Vic Cheif by the Mayor with out any discussion.

Jamie Graham was actually convicted 4 time for discredible conduct as Victoria police chief

Under Chief Jamie Graham's Command;

Victoria, BC is now ranked the second most dangerous city in Canada

The VicPD is the most costly police department in British Columbia

The VicPD's crime-solving rate is one of the worst in all of Canada

The VicPD's officer response times have consistently worsened

The Vic PD Hog tied and beat a 16 year old girl in a jail cell.

The Vic PD officers had numerously been charged and convicted of beating civilians, inany cases the wrong person.


That was some under him until he was forced in to retirement last year.

The new Cheif in Vic has cleaned the force up much more.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

He did a lot worse then that, coming out and saying he has warned his mixed raced son about the police department, coming from mayor who has 24 hr police protection. Deblasio is a joke of a mayor' and his words and actions of late have really ticked off the NYPD.

Maybe the NYPD should look at themselves and why they would cause someone like the mayor to be wary of his son's interaction with their officers.

Again, this is a police department who basically made it okay to stop anyone at anytime just in case maybe they might be doing something illegal. Not suspects, not suspicious people, anyone.

http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data

So they're stopping millions of people, nearly 90% whom are completely innocent of any wrongdoing, and they're heavily targeting minorities (to the scale of approximately 80% of all stops being blacks/latinos). No wonder someone with a mixed raced son is a little worried, regardless of his position.

They should probably be looking at their own policies before they go after the mayor.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

He did a lot worse then that, coming out and saying he has warned his mixed raced son about the police department, coming from mayor who has 24 hr police protection. Deblasio is a joke of a mayor' and his words and actions of late have really ticked off the NYPD.

Good. Maybe NYPD needs to do a better job. When you can't even get the Mayor to support you ####ed up.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

He did a lot worse then that, coming out and saying he has warned his mixed raced son about the police department, coming from mayor who has 24 hr police protection. Deblasio is a joke of a mayor' and his words and actions of late have really ticked off the NYPD.

Sounds like he's being a responsible parent. That 24 hour protection will not always be there for his son. What Black Parents Tell Their Sons About The Police

I've been told from an acquaintance with black sons that the appropriate time for "the talk" is before they go from being cute to "fitting the description".

[combustiblefuel]

Wrong thread.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

This is something I notice in almost all Canadians when speaking about the issues of policing in the U.S. Most folks seem to conflate U.S. and Canadian police into one homogenous force.

No kidding. As a minority, any interaction I've had with police here has been fantastic. Calgary Police are 100% cool people. Lethbridge Police are 100% cool people except for an officer I dealt with who later lost his job for insurance fraud so he's clearly an anomaly. Edmonton Police = fantastic. At this point, I'm inclined to say that all law enforcement in Canada are cool people.

You never know for sure, but I get the feeling I would have a very different assessment of American law enforcement.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Acey

No kidding. As a minority, any interaction I've had with police here has been fantastic. Calgary Police are 100% cool people. Lethbridge Police are 100% cool people except for an officer I dealt with who later lost his job for insurance fraud so he's clearly an anomaly. Edmonton Police = fantastic. At this point, I'm inclined to say that all law enforcement in Canada are cool people.

You never know for sure, but I get the feeling I would have a very different assessment of American law enforcement.

This is the problem that is happening in this thread. Misunderstanding the points people are making.

Police departments variey even in Canada. I work with B.C Human Rights on a regular basis out side of my full time gig. I understand both sides of the argument. I understand those concerned with blanketed statements toward the Law enforcement and vice versa toward civilians.

In this thread We are talking about the Law enforcement of these American Cities who are letting the civillans down who they have sworn to protect and not rule over. Theses specific Cities have been found by the DOJ as failing the public with unlawful practices. It started with Albuquerque, New mexico and has now gone through to these Cities and Now even In Baltimore is Currently under an Investigation. Comments in this thread are not digs at specifically at CPS. They are pointing out the faults of these American police forces that have been found to habour an insidious culture within their police forces that need to change for the relationship between them and the public that pays them to protect and serve them before the two parties can heal.

[Winnie]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

This is the problem that is happening in this thread. Misunderstanding the points people are making.

Police departments variey even in Canada. I work with B.C Human Rights on a regular basis out side of my full time gig. I understand both sides of the argument. I understand those concerned with blanketed statements toward the Law enforcement and vice versa toward civilians.

In this thread We are talking about the Law enforcement of these American Cities who are letting the civillans down who they have sworn to protect and not rule over. Theses specific Cities have been found by the DOJ as failing the public with unlawful practices. It started with Albuquerque, New mexico and has now gone through to these Cities and Now even In Baltimore is Currently under an Investigation. Comments in this thread are not digs at specifically at CPS. They are pointing out the faults of these American police forces that have been found to habour an insidious culture within their police forces that need to change for the relationship between them and the public that pays them to protect and serve them before the two parties can heal.

I think you're right that change is in order. If we've got an 'insidious' culture it should definitely be wiped out. Let's have some folks from outside of those currently doing the job to step up and heal the wounds. Any takers? You?

[Acey]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Comments in this thread are not digs at specifically at CPS.

To clarify, I did not think they were. However, my level of respect for the law enforcement agencies I mentioned in that post is such that I thought I pertinent to state that all my dealings with them have been great, and I'll add now that I'd be shocked and disappointed if any of them were found to be operating at the level of corruption you describe for some of those US police forces.

Carry on.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Winnie

I think you're right that change is in order. If we've got an 'insidious' culture it should definitely be wiped out. Let's have some folks from outside of those currently doing the job to step up and heal the wounds. Any takers? You?

Your smart ass remark is not needed. You think you are being clever but it is not. I have served my time for my country.

I, understand you may have some relationship with the profession at question but those quips are not adding value. It does not take one man to change a culture it requires a lot of heavy regulated guidence and valid in site of a community to make these changes.

Do you understand the word insidious? Insidious means ; causing harm in a way that is gradual or not easily noticed. Which, does seems to be the case in the most recent
events.




I did specifically say that those police departments have been proven by the Department of Justice of the United States of America to have shown they have proved to be reckless and under qualified in those Cities. I did not say All police within that post are evil and deplorable. I merely pointed out findings in the civil rights investigations that these cities were involved in . They are under reform due to the DOJ findings.

I understand you may be frustrated but these specific communities have been proven to have severe problems with their police departments. Unless you are part of these departments specifically there is no need to feel attacked or under scrutiny.

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[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Acey

To clarify, I did not think they were. However, my level of respect for the law enforcement agencies I mentioned in that post is such that I thought I pertinent to state that all my dealings with them have been great, and I'll add now that I'd be shocked and disappointed if any of them were found to be operating at the level of corruption you describe for some of those US police forces.

Carry on.

I understand . I was not saying you had inferred the comments you were making were. I was simply making a general statement for any person who wishes to participate in this conversation to keep in mind what the actual context of the posts are concerning. Your post was quoted as it was the newest one in the thread other then white igers to echo very similar points as which, I intended to post.

[rubecube]

#NotAllCops I guess?

[Winnie]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Your smart ass remark is not needed. You think you are being clever but it is not. I have served my time for my country.

I, understand you may have some relationship with the profession at question but those quips are not adding value. It does not take one man to change a culture it requires a lot of heavy regulated guidence and valid in site of a community to make these changes.

Do you understand the word insidious? Insidious means ; causing harm in a way that is gradual or not easily noticed. Which, does seems to be the case in the most recent
events.




I did specifically say that those police departments have been proven by the Department of Justice of the United States of America to have shown they have proved to be reckless and under qualified in those Cities. I did not say All police within that post are evil and deplorable. I merely pointed out findings in the civil rights investigations that these cities were involved in . They are under reform due to the DOJ findings.

I understand you may be frustrated but these specific communities have been proven to have severe problems with their police departments. Unless you are part of these departments specifically there is no need to feel attacked or under scrutiny.

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You call it a smart-ass comment, but it's a legitimate question though isn't it? Other than the folks doing the job so poorly and recklessly in the American cities you mention (or Victoria, or any other place that you have an issue with) who is going to step up and replace them? My guess is that many of the people who are most vocal against the police would also be the kind of people who are the least likely to be willing to do the job.

You seem to imply that I must be part of the police to make a supportive statement, which I suppose would be similar to assuming that you must be a criminal to be critical of them. I understand that some of your dealings with the police might not have been positive from your perspective, but it's those kind of generalizations that we're trying to avoid, right?

You can excuse me if I inferred some things from your posts and concluded that your dislike of the police goes beyond the few American cities that you mentioned. Maybe I'm wrong and you're actually a big supporter of the police outside of those communities?

I'm not so sure that the fact I'm not part of the police in those American communities means that I can't have an issue with people slagging the police? Does the fact that you're not part of the group who gets into street fights with the police in those communities mean that you can't be upset when they get shot?

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Winnie

You call it a smart-ass comment, but it's a legitimate question though isn't it? Other than the folks doing the job so poorly and recklessly in the American cities you mention (or Victoria, or any other place that you have an issue with) who is going to step up and replace them? My guess is that many of the people who are most vocal against the police would also be the kind of people who are the least likely to be willing to do the job.

You seem to imply that I must be part of the police to make a supportive statement, which I suppose would be similar to assuming that you must be a criminal to be critical of them. I understand that some of your dealings with the police might not have been positive from your perspective, but it's those kind of generalizations that we're trying to avoid, right?

You can excuse me if I inferred some things from your posts and concluded that your dislike of the police goes beyond the few American cities that you mentioned. Maybe I'm wrong and you're actually a big supporter of the police outside of those communities?

I'm not so sure that the fact I'm not part of the police in those American communities means that I can't have an issue with people slagging the police? Does the fact that you're not part of the group who gets into street fights with the police in those communities mean that you can't be upset when they get shot?

A person can appreciate and support the efforts of police officers while still holding them to a higher standard. These are not mutually exclusive. I can appreciate police officers for protecting my community but still be skeptical of the actions of officers who are abusing the power they're entrusted with.

[RedMileDJ]

I'm shocked that the word thug is considered racist, according to some. To me, the word thug is for any type of criminal. I've never considered it to be for a certain segment or colour of person.

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

A person can appreciate and support the efforts of police officers while still holding them to a higher standard. These are not mutually exclusive. I can appreciate police officers for protecting my community but still be skeptical of the actions of officers who are abusing the power they're entrusted with.

with you on that!

[Winnie]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

A person can appreciate and support the efforts of police officers while still holding them to a higher standard. These are not mutually exclusive. I can appreciate police officers for protecting my community but still be skeptical of the actions of officers who are abusing the power they're entrusted with.

Fully agree. Police should be held to a high standard, and those officers who abuse their power should be held accountable.

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by RedMileDJ

I'm shocked that the word thug is considered racist, according to some. To me, the word thug is for any type of criminal. I've never considered it to be for a certain segment or colour of person.

It's Just people in this world who seem to get offended by everything