Mark "Fricken" Jankowski (aka The Big Jankowski)

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by Robbob

With the bigger frame I wonder if maybe after this season he makes the leap to the AHL. I think coming in as a 21 year old from a very defensive team I don't think he will be a liability and may prove a better environment to develop. The only question is if there is room on the farm team as I would expect another infusion of youth coming (Klimchuck and Smith)

I would think Austin Carrol ends up in the AHL next year as well.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Robbob

With the bigger frame I wonder if maybe after this season he makes the leap to the AHL. I think coming in as a 21 year old from a very defensive team I don't think he will be a liability and may prove a better environment to develop. The only question is if there is room on the farm team as I would expect another infusion of youth coming (Klimchuck and Smith)

Wouldn't surprise me to see him turn pro this summer. I think he can play in the AHL. Yeah, the numbers game is a concern though. Could see Hunter Smith returned for an overage year like Ferland was though to be honest.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

edit: I still think he has the tools to be an NHLer, I am just concerned about his offence.

Well, yeah. Think that's everyones concern. I've mentioned that before, it can be frustrating as he still doesn't lead the play nearly as much as he should. Don't know if a year in the USHL would have changed that though.

Maybe he's like another Nate Leeman coached center that never put up big points in College but managed to make the NHL.

[Scornfire]

I'd prefer Smith in the AHL, the guy is just way too big to continue playing against kids for another year. If I'm recalling correctly, Ferland had a bit of a commitment issue when he was sent back to the WHL, which he's more than overcome.

Guessing Kanzig will also be in Adirondack next year, along with Rafikov. Anyone know if Mattson plans to come to NA yet?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Anyone that thinks a draft position no longer matters after draft day has got to be smoking something. The statement "Former first round pick" follows every player in every sport for the rest of their lives. This is generally due to the fact that at least one team in the league deemed said player to be the best player available - they have exceptional talent.

The media says things like that because the media likes labels.

It's why the Oilers are still 'the young and talented' while the Flames are still 'hardworking overachievers'

Just because the media sticks with things like that, doesn't make them true or relevant.

The draft is a snapshot, a moment in time. It is irrelevant now.

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I would like to see him leave Providence after this season and go to a less stifling offensive environment. Learning defence is good and will serve him well but he needs to focus on his offensive game now if wants to get to the NHL.

Don't know if that would be worth it. I know if you transfer within the conference then you might be required to sit out a year, possibly two and lose a competition year, meaning you won't be able to redshirt. Plus you would need a school to give up a scholarship, and you need to be released from your old program, while staying eligible. If he planned on going through all of that might as well just turn pro, or stay where he is.

With his numbers though. I'm not too worried about it. Like many have said it's a very low scoring team, also we don't know for certain how his game will translate in the pros to make any rash judgments. In both the AHL and NHL he'll be playing with better players, it's a more free flowing game so more opportunities will come. He's a big, solid, responsible, two way center. We've all seen the offensive instincts and skill, and once he starts asserting himself more he'll start scoring more.

He's no different then Brodie IMO. Once he got over the shyness, he took off. Jankowski I can see the same thing. Once you get the coaching staff telling you you don't know how good you can be it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy and you become better. It's all confidence, and belief. It also helps that several prospects have jumped up the list so Calgary can afford to take the time with Jankowski. He's still one of the more intriguing prospects they have, and I'm excited to see how his career progresses.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Robbob

With the bigger frame I wonder if maybe after this season he makes the leap to the AHL. I think coming in as a 21 year old from a very defensive team I don't think he will be a liability and may prove a better environment to develop. The only question is if there is room on the farm team as I would expect another infusion of youth coming (Klimchuck and Smith)

This is similar to Kris Chucko, although with Chucko it was that he was put into a defensive role in College, so Sutter turned him pro.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

This is similar to Kris Chucko, although with Chucko it was that he was put into a defensive role in College, so Sutter turned him pro.

Not really the same, at all. Chucko was so far down the depth chart for the Golden Gophers. He was effectively playing a 4th line role for the team, he couldn't produce and he wasn't playing an important role outside of that either. Chucko was lost on an offensive team and was put on the 4th line. Jankowski is playing important minutes for his team, maybe some of the most important minutes in their forward ranks.

Chucko had 13 points as a 19 year old sophomore, 16th on his team in scoring.
Jankowski had 25 points as a 19 year old sophomore, 3rd on his team.

If Mark went pro it will because they think he's ready, Chucko went pro because he was totally lost in Minnesota and wasn't being used at all, in any sort of meaty role.

The only similarity is player moving from College to pro, anything beyond is you making poor parallels.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Not really the same, at all. Chucko was so far down the depth chart for the Golden Gophers. He was effectively playing a 4th line role for the team, he couldn't produce and he wasn't playing an important role outside of that either. Chucko was lost on an offensive team and was put on the 4th line. Jankowski is playing important minutes for his team, maybe some of the most important minutes in their forward ranks.

Chucko had 13 points as a 19 year old sophomore, 16th on his team in scoring.
Jankowski had 25 points as a 19 year old sophomore, 3rd on his team.

If Mark went pro it will because they think he's ready, Chucko went pro because he was totally lost in Minnesota and wasn't being used at all, in any sort of meaty role.

The only similarity is player moving from College to pro, anything beyond is you making poor parallels.

Well yeah, Chucko was playing behind Kessel and Wheeler on RW in his second year but the similarity is that both (in the case of some posters opinion) weren't progressing the way management wanted them to in their programs. Chucko because he dropped down the depth chart and Jankowski because of the team defensive style.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Well yeah, Chucko was playing behind Kessel and Wheeler on RW in his second year but the similarity is that both (in the case of some posters opinion) weren't progressing the way management wanted them to in their programs. Chucko because he dropped down the depth chart and Jankowski because of the team defensive style.

Chucko was also behind Danny Irmen, don't forget to leave out the non flashy names.

We have no idea what managements thoughts are on Jankowski's current development. You're using a crystal ball.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Chucko was also behind Danny Irmen, don't forget to leave out the non flashy names.

We have no idea what managements thoughts are on Jankowski's current development. You're using a crystal ball.

As I put in brackets "(in the case of some posters opinion)" which I was replying to.

Here's the gist of a post you thanked.

With the bigger frame I wonder if maybe after this season he makes the leap to the AHL. I think coming in as a 21 year old from a very defensive team I don't think he will be a liability and may prove a better environment to develop.

So you are agreeing that a new environment would help, the same reasoning used to turn Chucko pro.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

As I put in brackets "(in the case of some posters opinion)" which I was replying to.

Here's the gist of a post you thanked.

So you are agreeing that a new environment would help, the same reasoning used to turn Chucko pro.

to be fair saying new environment is the most generic wide spread statement one can use.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

So you are agreeing that a new environment would help, the same reasoning used to turn Chucko pro.

To me that statement came across as Jankowski is ready to play in the AHL.
Chucko needed to move, Jankowski would be the natural progression. Major difference. It's a very general statement but when you compare the players and the situations they're totally different.

Though if you're taking it that vaguely you can apply it to any player at any moment. We all know why you jumped on the name Chucko though.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

To me that statement came across as Jankowski is ready to play in the AHL.
Chucko needed to move, Jankowski would be the natural progression. Major difference. It's a very general statement but when you compare the players and the situations they're totally different.

Though if you're taking it that vaguely you can apply it to any player at any moment. We all know why you jumped on the name Chucko though.

The consensus has seemed to be that as a natural progression, Jankowski should show scoring ability at the college level before turning pro. Now the standards are being changed to suit your argument.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

The consensus has seemed to be that as a natural progression, Jankowski should show scoring ability at the college level before turning pro. Now the standards are being changed to suit your argument.

Not in the slightest. We're talking about end of season stuff here, where I continue to hope/want Jankowski to be at or just under a PPG, which would be very good numbers for the Friars. If his scoring game doesn't develop this season I'll move my thinking to a third line player. You don't discontinue a players development because he doesn't hit the offensive marks you want.

He's behind were I want his offensive game to be, he's well ahead of where I thought his all around and defensive game would be however. You have to factor in all of that when pondering if a player can make the next jump or not. You have to consider all of a guys game when you sign him. Good thing the Flames see that and don't focus on just numbers when wanting a player to make the jump. They wouldn't have signed Josh Jooris after putting up 12 goals and 28 points after his 3rd season if that was the case.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Not in the slightest. We're talking about end of season stuff here, where I continue to hope/want Jankowski to be at or just under a PPG, which would be very good numbers for the Friars. If his scoring game doesn't develop this season I'll move my thinking to a third line player. You don't discontinue a players development because he doesn't hit the offensive marks you want.

He's behind were I want his offensive game to be, he's well ahead of where I thought his all around and defensive game would be however. You have to factor in all of that when pondering if a player can make the next jump or not. You have to consider all of a guys game when you sign him. Good thing the Flames see that and don't focus on just numbers when wanting a player to make the jump. They wouldn't have signed Josh Jooris after putting up 12 goals and 28 points after his 3rd season if that was the case.

LOL, than you go on to explain your change in standards.

Josh Jooris is a pleasant surprise, I think even for Flames management. Hopefully Jankowski can be as good and nobody is writing him off but his progression isn't that great as you admit in saying that you are maybe moving your thinking to a third line player.

I'm not saying he won't make the NHL but usually a NHL player will put up good scoring stats in lower leagues and than find he needs to become a specialized defensive player etc. in the pros, not before.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

LOL, than you go on to explain your change in standards.

They haven't. Saying lol in all caps doesn't make it true. My standards haven't changed, what I think Jankowski might become based on those standards could change.

Josh Jooris is a pleasant surprise, I think even for Flames management. Hopefully Jankowski can be as good and nobody is writing him off but his progression isn't that great as you admit in saying that you are maybe moving your thinking to a third line player.

His offensive progression, please pay attention.

I'm not saying he won't make the NHL but usually a NHL player will put up good scoring stats in lower leagues and than find he needs to become a specialized defensive player etc. in the pros, not before.

Some do, some don't.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

They haven't. Saying lol in all caps doesn't make it true. My standards haven't changed, what I think Jankowski might become based on those standards could change.


His offensive progression, please pay attention.


Some do, some don't.

When he joined Providence College his defensive game improvement was a given seeing how the team and it's coach were well known for this aspect. That he is good defensively and not so good offensively is not what was expected when drafted.

Maybe you should spend more time looking at NHL players minor league stats. The same argument was used for defencemen making the NHL. Even the most defensively minded NHL defencemen usually had good stats in the minors, which is the knock against Seiloff, raised in a previous discussion. The same argument goes for forwards. Sure there are exceptions such as Bouma but he has other exceptional qualities.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Jankowski's defensive game has developed more than just what was a given, whatever that means. He's a 20 year old whomnight be the most relieded upon defensive forward on one of the top defensive teams in College. That was expected, that wasn't a given. Jankowski worked on these skills and it's a skilled I place value on. His draft expectations don't matter any more, you accept the player he becomes. I can't believe we're still harping about draft expectations. If that's what we're doing let's cut Backlund loose right now. Such a silly and ignorant statement, one you continue to go on about.

Developing isn't a given, some players don't have the desire to play that role. You brushing it off shows your continuing bias against said player, and shows a total lack of understanding about development to boot.

I'm well aware of NHL-E, which is why I said some do some don't. If Jankowski jumps to the AHL this summer his offensive game can continue to develop. Or maybe it doesn't and he doesn't become an NHL'er. Unlike you my mind has always been open either way to how he turns out, not closed off like a childs looking at any opportunity to troll the thread.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Jankowski's defensive game has developed more than just what was a given, whatever that means. He's a 20 year old whomnight be the most relieded upon defensive forward on one of the top defensive teams in College. That was expected, that wasn't a given. Jankowski worked on these skills and it's a skilled I place value on. His draft expectations don't matter any more, you accept the player he becomes. I can't believe we're still harping about draft expectations. If that's what we're doing let's cut Backlund loose right now. Such a silly and ignorant statement, one you continue to go on about.

Developing isn't a given, some players don't have the desire to play that role. You brushing it off shows your continuing bias against said player, and shows a total lack of understanding about development to boot.

I'm well aware of NHL-E, which is why I said some do some don't. If Jankowski jumps to the AHL this summer his offensive game can continue to develop. Or maybe it doesn't and he doesn't become an NHL'er. Unlike you my mind has always been open either way to how he turns out, not closed off like a childs looking at any opportunity to troll the thread.

Now you're calling me a troll and a childs (sic), trust you to hit the bottom of the barrel when you can't back up your argument.