[PGT] Sharks 3 @ Flames 2

[AC]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Delayed penalty in the last two minutes? Can't be passing around the puck wasting time. Rather be playing those 30 seconds 6 on 4, than 6 on 5. If you don't want to just give them the puck, just shoot it.

Anyway, that's not why they lost, just have to be a bit smarter there.

While true, you also already have the puck and all the momentum. All it takes is a lost faceoff and you may never get set up again once you're on the 6-on-4 PP.

I'm a big proponent of not giving the puck away once you have it.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Fire

The Flames had major issues getting the puck out of their own zone against the bigger Sharks team. That's why they lost.

seriously...blaming the size difference again? The lost has nothing to do with the size. Inability to move the puck out of their zone has nothing to do with the size. They were sloppy and weren't skating like they usually do.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Scoreface

Go back to cheering for your beloved Jets. Looks good on ya having a bipolar handle.

I think his point was that Couture gave an incredibly boring interview, thus you may have actually seen it but been put to sleep due to boredom.

[GreenLantern2814]

I demand accountability.

[PeteMoss]

We corsi'd their face off.

Eat it Sharks.

[JetsFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Scoreface

Go back to cheering for your beloved Jets. Looks good on ya having a bipolar handle.

[Kidder]

Originally Posted by AC

While true, you also already have the puck and all the momentum. All it takes is a lost faceoff and you may never get set up again once you're on the 6-on-4 PP.

I'm a big proponent of not giving the puck away once you have it.

I agree to a degree, but I feel they were a little excessive with the perimeter passing in this case.

A delayed call is your chance to try a riskier cross seam pass that if picked off would typically result in a easy clear or empty net opportunity.

But yes, don't just give it away. Set it up and try a backdoor feed.

[Scoreface]

MOD EDIT: Relax. No insults, please.

[C-ero]

We looked good visually.

[flamesfever]

I think when the refs do a review of the final minutes, there will be some red faces.

[JetsFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Scoreface

Classy way to handle it ###hole, especially when I didn't see the interview. You're really cool. Enjoy the few thanks you hope to get.

Chill buddy, it's a joke. Man everybody's got feelings up in here tonight, it's really depressing. I get it though, it's after a loss. Also it was mentioned earlier in the thread if you didn't see the interview

[JJ1532]

Can I just say, props to Jooris on that 5-on-3 PK. Won a face-off which allowed us to clear the zone, then as they tried the next entry, he poke checked the puck back out. Yet more outstanding play, even if his basic stats weren't great.

[fanman]

Tough loss, but still some positives from this game.
A few lackluster clearing attempts cost them, but again they had a huge push back and never gave up.

Learn from it and get the next win!

[Scoreface]

MOD EDIT: No insults please.

[TheCommodoreAfro]

On the bright side, a loss today pretty much means we win the next one. #amirite

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Dion

The Flames inability to score on the game ending PP cost them.

Well if SJ commits infractions that inhibit their ability to capitalize and they are not called, is it just that inability?

No. You do actually legitimately have poor reffing to blame. Not that it is given that they score, but the reffing interfered with the ability to score (ie enabled SJ to strengthen that Flames inability to score)

Diaz over skating that puck was the lowlight

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by jeffman

We really need a dman that can play big responsible minutes. Brodano can't play 25 mins every night, the mistakes from fatigue are getting more and more visible

Why not? Not being funny, but we want to compare Gio to every other defenseman with Norris talk, they all manage it. Suter, Weber, Subban, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Keith, Letang.

And tonight, Wideman and Russell both saw more ice time than Gio. Wideman played almost 29 minutes. Against the Avs, Gio played the most at 26:30, but Russell was the 4th highest with 23:34. Against the Coyotes, pretty much 23:00 evenly split between the 4 of them. Coyotes last Saturday, Gio played the fewest minutes of the 4 of them, Brodie 2nd fewest. Against San Jose, Gio and Brodie again logged fewer minutes than Wideman and Russell.

I really think this is a non starter. Not only is there proof that Wideman and Russell are helping share the burden of ice time with Gio and Brodie, but on a number of occasions, they are playing more minutes. Gio and Brodie are our top 2 defenders and top 2/3 point producers. They should be expected to play 25 minutes a night without fatigue becoming a factor, especially after only 28 games played. I mean, if we are calling tiredness on them now, what will they be like in March/April? But for me, we have 4 d-men who are all comfortable playing 25 minutes each a night. That to me seems like the workload is pretty evenly shared. At best, I'll give you that we need a couple of upgrades on the 3rd pairing who could maybe play 15 minutes a night, not just the 10 that you are just about happy to give Smid/Engelland/Diaz.

Or maybe its not tiredness, its just mistakes. Because they will happen, happens to even the top players. Can we just accept the occasional mistakes and not find excuses for them which imo aren't really there?

Maybe its time to give someone like Potter or Wotherspoon a call up? We aren't struggling defensively, but I don't think it would hurt to see some other options have a shot on that 3rd pairing.

[DomeFoam]

I have no problem losing as long as I know we deserved the win

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by JetsFlamesFan

All it comes down to is: what is a penalty? If it's defined, then why is it a penalty now but not later? I don't think the time of game should come into play. But since it does, it's frustrating when it is only on one side. And it looks VERY bad on the refs to miss the exact same calls they made mere seconds earlier, I don't even think it's arguable. A penalty is a penalty and the refs get way too much leeway, to get away with so blatantly missing the exact same call you called 30 seconds ago. How many officials are there on the ice? Are they not bound to a book of rules? Or can they just make up whatever rules they want on the fly? Too many judgement calls, should be by the book. Not like it's ever gonna change, though.

Calls will be missed. There can be no "call it by the book" really, because the book calls for discretion in every case. People aren't going to want to hear this, but this is the best the reffing has ever been.

Trouble is, we have waaaaay better access to video and better quality picture than ever before. Every ref is making a hundred or even probably a lot more judgement calls in real time every game. A hundred percent isn't reasonable. It's just not going to get better. Then you add in the subjective nature of the job. A hook is not the same to everyone either, for example. Did he impede forward progress? Maybe three people have three different opinions. Add to that that the ref doesn't have an overhead view like we do. Watch that ref cam video and you'll see just how fast the calls news to be made. It's tough.

The NHL refs are there because they were the best at every level. There isn't some better refs out there. Part of the intrigue of sport is the mini controversy in each game. The same reason we don't see a computer calling balls and strikes in baseball.

/ref rant

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Calls will be missed. There can be no "call it by the book" really, because the book calls for discretion in every case. People aren't going to want to hear this, but this is the best the reffing has ever been.

Trouble is, we have waaaaay better access to video and better quality picture than ever before. Every ref is making a hundred or even probably a lot more judgement calls in real time every game. A hundred percent isn't reasonable. It's just not going to get better. Then you add in the subjective nature of the job. A hook is not the same to everyone either, for example. Did he impede forward progress? Maybe three people have three different opinions. Add to that that the ref doesn't have an overhead view like we do. Watch that ref cam video and you'll see just how fast the calls news to be made. It's tough.

The NHL refs are there because they were the best at every level. There isn't some better refs out there. Part of the intrigue of sport is the mini controversy in each game. The same reason we don't see a computer calling balls and strikes in baseball.

/ref rant

^^
"A hook is not the same to everyone either, for example. Did he impede forward progress? Maybe three people have three different opinions. "

3? Yes / no / ???