Will Jones and Glencross be Flames next season?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Table 5

There were about 20 real answers for you in that thread. Not listening to them doesn't mean that you weren't refuted.

Yeah, the answers were who to replace our first line winger with, which I had to supply some names for consideration after I got MMF's answer of "who cares". That also makes my argument that we need to have a replacement of equal value if we want to cut him loose. I'm saying is you just don't get rid of a player who is producing without a plan to replace him. Well maybe you do if you hate the guy, like some around here.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Blixa

Question for Glencross is how many years? 2 Years would best and three would be ok, no absolutely no for over 3 years.
If it ain´t Glencross then there would be some other 30+ UFA forward, we need some veteran leadership in forward spot.
We are heavily full in left wing, but you don´t put Johnny against the other team top line at least not for few years.

Next summer UFA left wingers etc. Foligno, Bergenheim, Sodenberg and Beleskey.
http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?...L&fa_type_id=2

Jones plays his contract and goes away.

That weak free agent class is exactly the problem... If Benoit Pouliot got 20 million over 5 years, you've got to think someone is going to give Glencross 3 or 4 years at 4 mil per (at least) and he knows that. I agree, there is no way the flames should offer 4 years and I'm not convinced about 3 years either.

I think the flames have enough veterans even without Glencross though. Still leaves Stajan, Raymond, Hudler, Jones, Colborne, Bouma, Bollig and Byron who all have decent experience and will be 25+ next season, it's not exactly a kiddie corps even without him.

[Blixa]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I don't really know. I like him, but he's probably only a 3rd line center who can add some offense once in a while.

My main concern is his inability to stay healthy, so having a player like that eat up cap and roster space when you have better and more reliable options coming through the system (Jooris and Arnold) then I think you make a trade. Right now I would rather have Jooris since he's shown just as much at a younger and less experienced stage of his career. Arnold might end up being a better 2-way player than either of them long term.

Jooris is one year younger than Backlund and IMO the player has to be better than the other. Always earned not given, so Jooris posession and overall playing has to be better if he is going outplay Backlund.

Backlund is often injured, but he has proved that how valuable he is for this team. Jooris will very good asset in future but we have develop players like Red Wings do, keep them in Adirondack as long you can.

For me Backlund is going be like Backes in Blues and after Bennett and Monahan are matured like Malhotra was in Nucks.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

I'd argue that the 2 players who could take their jobs have been injured for a good portion of the season in Raymond and Colborne.

I don't hate Glencross, but I'd like to see him gone. For me, its the same argument as Cammaleri. Good guy in the room, under appreciated a bit by fans, production pretty good. But I think he's replaceable and I don't think we'll miss him. Hudler, Raymond, Gio, Engelland, Wideman, Stajan. We have enough vets. As for his roster spot, Gaudreau, Hudler, Raymond and Colborne can be the primary top 2 line wingers. Then you potentially add Jooris, Ferland and maybe Sven as depth we already have. Then you potentially consider some of the prospects having an amazing training camp like Jooris and Granlund did and earning roster spots. Poirer, Bennett, Hanowski etc. Then you consider that we can add another proven NHLer in the off season through the free agency market.

I wouldn't be disappointed to see him back, but I do think we should either look to trade him at the deadline(depending on our league position) or keep him and let him walk in the summer.

Yeah, in another thread I suggested Colborne as a possibility or move Backlund over since we seem to have young centres knocking on the door. Personally I don't think Raymond can handle the duties of going against other teams top lines.

[nik-]

Glencross is going to want to get paid. He's earned it, I just don't want it to be us doing it.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I don't mind Glencross, I just don't see him in the long term plans.

[GioforPM]

You don't make it to the NHL by being lazy. But you can get lazy after making it. See Bourque, Rene.

I see no reason to buy out Jones. The Flames don't need cap space, he can play well when healthy, he plays RW with a RH shot, he's big and not slow. If he get's supplanted and moved down the lineup or even to the bench, so be it.

Glencross I think is looking for a veteran deal. He's said publicly that there will be no hometown discount. Whether he's on the decline or not, whether you like his play or not, I think he's going to be looking for more money and term than the Flames would want to pay a guy who's probably on the decline. If he is reasonable, sure, why not, unless there's a guy playing a similar role, maybe a bit younger, who is going to be available as a UFA.

If indications don't point to him re-signing, the Flames will have to make a big effort to move him and convince him to waive. There will be more than a few teams at the deadline looking for depth like him. He'd be worth a propsect or a relatively decent pick. If Berra gets you a second, Glencross gets you more. Not Iginla value, but then, we didn't get full value for Iginla IMO.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

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Well Cammy was our first line winger last year and we didn't replace him and we're doing better without him. Refuted!

Cammy may have been our top scoring winger but for the most part he didn't play on the first line. Gaudreau replaced him.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Yeah, the answers were who to replace our first line winger with, which I had to supply some names for consideration after I got MMF's answer of "who cares". That also makes my argument that we need to have a replacement of equal value if we want to cut him loose. I'm saying is you just don't get rid of a player who is producing without a plan to replace him. Well maybe you do if you hate the guy, like some around here.

Who replaced Cammy? He was our clear cut top point producing player and the team didn't go out and replace him with anyone in particular and the team has improved because the team has come together and is scoring by committee with younger players taking a step forward. If Glencross isn't on the team next year, someone will replace him much like someone replaced Cammy.

Also, if Glencross is traded there will be assets coming back. If those assets are just draft picks then someone from the system or free agency will have to take his place but we may also get a player who can step right in his spot.

Regardless, you keep saying that someone has to replace him and that we shouldn't get rid of him until we know who. That's not true. The team will have to see who takes the spot because just giving it to someone isn't the right thing to do and this team doesn't work that way. Essentially, there will be a "top line" spot available for grabs and whoever deserves it will get it.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Cammy may have been our top scoring winger but for the most part he didn't play on the first line. Gaudreau replaced him.

So you're saying that you knew Gaudreau would replace Cammy last year? A lot of people weren't sure he'd stay past the 9 games....

Either we have a fortune teller who can tell us who exactly will replace who or someone will step forward and earn the spot much like Gaudreau did for Cammy's spot.

[442scotty]

Glencross, gone. Jones? depends how he is playing but probably traded as his play is picking up and he is becoming marketable. Too many players on the way up so something has to give and these guys are getting older which in a lot (not all) of cases means slower and lazier.

[Mattman]

How do people feel about Blake Wheeler as 1st line RW to replace Jones? Is that achievable?

[savardandjokinen]

I hope so, this is where the young guns can come in and try and take a spot. I would also like stajan to be gone

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

So you're saying that you knew Gaudreau would replace Cammy last year? A lot of people weren't sure he'd stay past the 9 games....

Either we have a fortune teller who can tell us who exactly will replace who or someone will step forward and earn the spot much like Gaudreau did for Cammy's spot.

If not Gaudreau there are or were a few other players such as Granlund, Baertschi, or maybe Reinhart who were ready. For me it wasn't a big deal to find a replacement for a small winger who didn't want to be here.

Glencross can be replaced as well, maybe with someone we have or otherwise but a lot of posters don't want to take that into consideration when talking about getting rid of him.

[debil]

Both big bodies we can't afford becoming hobbit team. Keep them on short contract.

[The Fonz]

Jones - yes

Glencross - too many variables involved to take a guess, at this point. How well is this team playing by game #60? Are they in a playoff spot? What's Glencross asking for term on his next contract? What is the market offering in a trade?

I believe that if you get offered a 1st round pick, you need to take it (if he's willing to waive NTC). Anything less, it doesn't make a lot of sense to move him.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Mattman

How do people feel about Blake Wheeler as 1st line RW to replace Jones? Is that achievable?

Would be great to add size, but I'm scared of what we'd have to give up to add a 6'5" RH shot. He's signed for 4 more years after this with a modified NMC, so he figures in the long term plans for Winnipeg. We'd have to knock their socks off. Gaudreau maybe? I wouldn't do it

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

If not Gaudreau there are or were a few other players such as Granlund, Baertschi, or maybe Reinhart who were ready. For me it wasn't a big deal to find a replacement for a small winger who didn't want to be here.

Glencross can be replaced as well, maybe with someone we have or otherwise but a lot of posters don't want to take that into consideration when talking about getting rid of him.

I think you're taking things out of context. The people you are referring to are saying that Glencross shouldn't be here next year but they aren't saying he should be replaced. I can only assume that they think someone should replace him and his playing time. I doubt anyone is saying that he should be traded and the Flames should leave an empty roster spot or just play every game shorthanded.

People aren't taking time to say, "we should trade Glencross and replace him" because it's pretty common knowledge that if you trade someone, you replace them.

I think most peoples point is that you don't trade someone and then say that "Player X" is going to be taking Glencross's spot. You trade the player and worry about it after because there are too many factors to come to a forgone conclusion of who the replacement will be.

The Flames are in a spot that they haven't been in a long long time...we have young players in the system that are ready to make the jump and earn a spot on the team. Trade Glencross or let him walk and let one of those young players earn his spot.

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I agree on Jones but a player being in and out of the lineup all the time isnt good for the player or the team. Sometimes this makes me worry that Backlund won't be part of the future..

With Jones, the fact that he is always in and out of the lineup might actually be a good thing next year. When he's in he can play the tough minutes with Monahan like he has been and when he's out we get a chance to see some of the guys who haven't been in the Show yet, like poirier.

[stone hands]

I want to preface this by saying: I was the biggest glencross booster up until last year. Was upset that gio got the c instead of him even. Biggest bright spot on a team for a few years when there really wasn't much to cheer for

That said, since the lockout he's been an extremely polarizing player. Often seems uninterested, good for about 3 really bad giveaways from no look passes per game, along with generally frustrating to watch play most of the time

...THAT SAID: he produces even in games where he looks like hot garbage. Much like wideman, I'm not too sure what to make of glencross at this point. Unless we have some rookies pushing him out of the lineup, he stays

Jones is has really impressed me this year. He's been either injured or invisible for his entire tenure with the flames, so it's been a pleasant surprise to see him do well. I wouldn't trade him at this point either