Police shooting of unarmed teen leads to protests and Riot

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by terminator

Gathering of the ignorant? They are protesting a decision they don't agree with, how is what they are doing ignorant? Should they light up torches for all injustices? This one just may hit closer to home for them; they might be the people who refuse to see race however took notice that yet again the the USofA a black kid's murder at the hands of the pigs goes without justice.

Jesus, straighten up.

You know what's ignorant? Decrying racism them calling the police pigs. There are thousands of honest wonderful men and women willing to put themselves in harms way to make sure you're robbed or dead. If the police are pigs for the action of a few, then black people are murderers and thugs.

Jesus. Wake up

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I thought that was interesting, however if the Prosecutor is preparing for a trial does he really want to cross examine, or does he want to save his cross examination in case it goes to trial so he gives the witness as little pre notice of how he's going to attack his story?

Wouldn't it be the same as taking an affidavit, I don't know if you try a case in front of a Grand Jury. You present the evidence and testimony and the Grand Jury decides if it would survive all of the pre trial motions and is credible enough to survive a trial.

I guess the way to check that would be to compare the DA's approach in this case to his approach in other Grand Jury hearings.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by terminator

Gathering of the ignorant? They are protesting a decision they don't agree with, how is what they are doing ignorant? Should they light up torches for all injustices? This one just may hit closer to home for them; they might be the people who refuse to see race however took notice that yet again the the USofA a black kid's murder at the hands of the pigs goes without justice.

Jesus, straighten up.

At this point they don't agree with it, and that's their right, but I doubt between the time of the statement (WTF were they thinking in terms of doing this at night) and the riot started they didn't review the why's.

Its everyone's right to protest if they don't like the decision, but lets hope they're protesting for the right reasons and that they don't turn violent.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I guess the way to check that would be to compare the DA's approach in this case to his approach in other Grand Jury hearings.

That would be interesting to know. I was reading up on Grand Jury process, and it states that the Prosecution has the right to introduce the defendants testimony, but I saw nothing that talked about trying to cross examine or impeach it.

The closest I saw the under the 6th amendment where the defendant does not have the right to cross examine the testimony of other witnesses.

I know we have Canadian Lawyers on this board, not sure about American Lawyers, but I'm wondering if any of them have any guidance on Grand Jury strategy.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Let's protest some media sensationalized story and ignore all the true injustices that occur on a daily basis around the world!

Its a gathering of the ignorant

I don't think the protests are about just the Brown event. It is a symbol for a thousand other references.

Ferguson message: Justice system unfair to minorities

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/24/opinio...html?hpt=hp_t2

The grand jury only needed to find "probable cause" to charge Wilson. That's one of the lowest legal standards in our justice system, below "beyond a reasonable doubt" (required for a criminal conviction) and "preponderance of the evidence" (the standard in a civil trial). The fact that McCulloch did not get an indictment for a killing that shocked the nation raises questions about whether he really wanted an indictment.

Sure, there are conflicting accounts of what transpired between Wilson and Michael Brown. Was Wilson in fear for his life, as he told investigators, when he and Brown struggled for his gun? Did Brown have his hands up when he was fatally shot? We will never know, because there will be no trial. That's a tragedy for the Brown family and an affront to the fundamental American value that we are all are equal under the law.

The grand jury's decision has implications far beyond Ferguson. Gallup polling has found that African-Americans have less confidence in the criminal justice system than white Americans, while a W.W. Kellogg Foundation report found that 68% of Latinos report being worried about police brutality. Wilson walking free will likely reinforce the views among communities of color that our justice system is unfair. And when significant segments of our population lose faith in our justice system, our democracy is weakened.

The Ferguson decision reflects poorly on prosecutor McCulloch. His flawed grand jury proceedings ensured that justice was not served for Michael Brown.

[terminator]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

You know what's ignorant? Decrying racism them calling the police pigs. There are thousands of honest wonderful men and women willing to put themselves in harms way to make sure you're robbed or dead. If the police are pigs for the action of a few, then black people are murderers and thugs.

Jesus. Wake up

I don't recall calling all Police pigs? Could you point at where I did this?

Jesus, take some drugs.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by troutman

I don't think the protests are about just the Brown event. It is a symbol for a thousand other references.

they must be really angry at big auto as they looted and burned down a auto parts store. They're also probably pissed at delicious delicious BBQ because that wend up in flames to.

[terminator]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Just keep eating up the spin they're feeding you in the media. At the end of the day there isn't much to protest in this case. Look at the evidence, read the reports and then we can chat. You're making yourself sound pretty uninformed.

There are hundreds of murders every day and those are the sort of things that should get people fired up to protest over. Or real race issues and equality, those are all causes worth standing up for. A robber who assaulted and tried taking the gun of a cop is not one of them.

The spin story is simple: Blacks get a raw deal in the USofA.

[terminator]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

they must be really angry at big auto as they looted and burned down a auto parts store. They're also probably pissed at delicious delicious BBQ because that wend up in flames to.

There are always people who piss on the carpet at a good house party.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

they must be really angry at big auto as they looted and burned down a auto parts store. They're also probably pissed at delicious delicious BBQ because that wend up in flames to.

We can distinguish between lawful protestors and "agitators". The former should be listened to, and the latter should be arrested.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by terminator

I don't recall calling all Police pigs? Could you point at where I did this?

Jesus, take some drugs.

Would it be fair to use a derogatory term for black people after they commit a crime.?

[terminator]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Would it be fair to use a derogatory term for black people after they commit a crime.?

You cannot equate the world N*gger to PIG.

The word N*gger comes with generations of abuse, ownership of slaves, the slave trade itself and hundreds of years of oppression while the word Pig comes from abuse of powers.

But thanks for showing up.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by terminator

murder at the hands of the pigs

Ugh, this again.

Jesus, straighten up.

Good words of advice, listen to them.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Actually, there is a very good reason.

I can't think of a single one outside of possible cost issues. What are these "very good" reasons to not have cameras on cops?

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by terminator

The spin story is simple: Blacks get a raw deal in the USofA.

Thats 100% true. But acting as if Brown was an unarmed kid with a bible getting shot while walking to Sunday school is not how you lend credibility to your protests. The guy was a crook, and attacked a cop unprovoked. Not the hero you should really be using as your Martyr.

[CaptainCrunch]

How does a Grand Jury operate

https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Re...CanUse-86.aspx

Relevant parts

The prosecutor presents the state's case by asking the witness questions. The grand jurors also may ask questions, but neither the actual eyewitness to an alleged crime nor the alleged victim of that crime need to appear as witnesses. The rules that apply in court to exclude most hearsay evidence (evidence provided by someone who did not actually witness the crime) do not apply in the grand jury room. Therefore, a police officer may simply testify as to what eye-witnesses and alleged victims have said.

Further, information obtained by illegal police investigation, unconstitutional surveillance, or by unreliable means, can be heard and relied upon by grand jurors, even though that information would not be admissible if the case proceeded to trial. Finally, even if a prosecutor knows of information which would help show that the accused person is innocent, he is not required to present it to the grand jury. So, while two sides are presented in a trial, it may be that only one side will be presented in a grand jury proceeding.

[terminator]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Thats 100% true. But acting as if Brown was an unarmed kid with a bible getting shot while walking to Sunday school is not how you lend credibility to your protests. The guy was a crook, and attacked a cop unprovoked. Not the hero you should really be using as your Martyr.

What lends to him being a crook? The photo's CNN decides to use to portray him?

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The dialogue that Wilson states occurred between the two sounds like something out of a movie. Also, I'm supposed to believe that after being shot, and running from Wilson's car, Brown, who is unarmed decides to turn around and charge at a guy he knows is armed and willing to shoot him? In what reality would anyone do this?

Aren't the accepted eye witness accounts corroborating this? What are you basing your disbelief on?

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by terminator

What lends to him being a crook? The photo's CNN decides to use to portray him?

Isn't there video of him committing an assault and a robbery earlier that same day?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by RyZ

I can't think of a single one outside of possible cost issues. What are these "very good" reasons to not have cameras on cops?

Public Safety and justice are secondary concerns to protecting your own.