Police shooting of unarmed teen leads to protests and Riot

[RyZ]

I completely agree that in this day and age, there is no reason for every cop and and every squad car to not have a camera that is always on and recording.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Well the DA or whoever decided to announce that at 8pm local time deserves a good portion of the blame for the situation last night. Announce it in broad daylight at 10am and you probably have much less violence and destruction. Seems like the announcement was made to appease TV more than anything.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Lol Brown pushes him back into the car and slams the door shut and then punches him in the face yet the only bruise on his face is on his right side.

If that story was true shouldn't the bruises be on the left side of his face facing Brown outside the window on the driver side?


“As I’m opening the door, he turns, faces me, looks at me and says, ‘What the f— are you going to do about it,’ and shuts my door, slammed it shut,” Wilson said. “… He was just staring at me, almost like to intimidate me or to overpower me. The intense face he had was just not what I expected from any of this.”
Wilson told Brown to “get the f— back,” but Brown allegedly hit Wilson in the side of his face “with a fist…. There was a significant amount of contact that was made to my face,” Wilson testified.

Back away from the keyboard Gil Grissom.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Lol Brown pushes him back into the car and slams the door shut and then punches him in the face yet the only bruise on his face is on his right side.

If that story was true shouldn't the bruises be on the left side of his face facing Brown outside the window on the driver side?


“As I’m opening the door, he turns, faces me, looks at me and says, ‘What the f— are you going to do about it,’ and shuts my door, slammed it shut,” Wilson said. “… He was just staring at me, almost like to intimidate me or to overpower me. The intense face he had was just not what I expected from any of this.”
Wilson told Brown to “get the f— back,” but Brown allegedly hit Wilson in the side of his face “with a fist…. There was a significant amount of contact that was made to my face,” Wilson testified.

Not really, I would assume that when Brown attacked the car, the cop turned his face into the accusser, even if the assumption is that Brown punched with his right hand he could gave hit the right side of Wilsons face depending on how he was situated. Or Brown could have thrown with his left hand.

I don't know, I haven't read all of the Grand Jury stuff, and to be honest, I might not be able to, but your making an assumption based on a perfect scenario of right fist punch where he's squared up perfectly with Wilson in the car.

[rubecube]

The dialogue that Wilson states occurred between the two sounds like something out of a movie. Also, I'm supposed to believe that after being shot, and running from Wilson's car, Brown, who is unarmed decides to turn around and charge at a guy he knows is armed and willing to shoot him? In what reality would anyone do this?

[Ducay]

Read through a few of the witness interviews and some of the key evidence reports now they're public. How this became such an "issue" is beyond me. Pretty cut and dry case and its obvious why the grand jury didn't indict him.

The only witnesses that match up to the physical evidence are the officer and a few other eye-ball witnesses that saw the entire event, all of which have the same story as the officer.

- Brown closes door on the cop trying to exit vehicle, trapping him inside, begins assaulting the cop through the window
- Grabs cop's gun, struggles, gets shot once, but realizes he's fine and then continues assaulting.
- Another shot fired in car struggle, Brown flees car, cop chases with gun drawn. Guy turns around and charges cop, cop fires to defend charging assailant.
- Brown has already shown he's willing to go for the officer's gun, and is much larger than Officer Wilson. No other choice but to use lethal force. He has no taser, and mace isn't going to do a thing, and non-lethal combat isn't going to end in the officer's favor.

Based on how the situation was handled by Brown, it ended the only way it could have and he has no one to blame for his death. Who the F attacks a cop, grabs his gun, and expects for it to end well?

[CaptainCrunch]

Some of the things that struck me from last night.

1) I don't believe that the prosecutor did a great job with the grand Jury, it sounds like he just dumped everything on the Grand Jury but didn't do any framing of the evidence. I've heard that from a couple of news sources.

2) You can't push to indict just to defuse a tense situation, going by a bunch of stuff I watched, it sounds like the inconsistency of some of the key witnesses and the discovery of Brown's DNA on the gun were pretty damning, as well as the audio recording of shots and then long pause and shots matches Wilson's story. They had no reason not to believe Wilson in this case.

3) In terms of the riots, my first thought as the businesses were looted and went up in flames is that those businesses are not coming back to Ferguson. Why would they? They'll cash out their insurance and move to somplace safer.

4) It just seems that the whole riot was a disgrace and had little to do with the protest of the shooting, it was a group infiltrated by idiots who wanted to burn and loot.

5) This will probably raise the distrust of cops nation wide in the States. Police have to start wearing cameras on their vests and have dash board cams on their cars. I would argue that even with manpower situations there should be no way that there are individual cops on patrol, they should absolutely partner up.

6) How many people just went to the protests to stir things up. I almost don't blame the fire department for not responding when there are gun shots and looters.

7) This shows how bad race relations are in the states. The Whites and Blacks were all to blame for this debacle, and the civic leaders did a horrible job of calming this down.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Some of the things that struck me from last night.

1) I don't believe that the prosecutor did a great job with the grand Jury, it sounds like he just dumped everything on the Grand Jury but didn't do any framing of the evidence. I've heard that from a couple of news sources.

From what I read, the DA didn't even cross-examine Wilson.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The dialogue that Wilson states occurred between the two sounds like something out of a movie. Also, I'm supposed to believe that after being shot, and running from Wilson's car, Brown, who is unarmed decides to turn around and charge at a guy he knows is armed and willing to shoot him? In what reality would anyone do this?

Rage is an amazing thing. You're asking the same question that the grand jury asked, but is there evidence to prove that he didn't do the above?

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The dialogue that Wilson states occurred between the two sounds like something out of a movie. Also, I'm supposed to believe that after being shot, and running from Wilson's car, Brown, who is unarmed decides to turn around and charge at a guy he knows is armed and willing to shoot him? In what reality would anyone do this?

I don't know the truth about what happened, but its possible that Brown does it out of desperation. He has been shot, and the guy with the gun has chased him down. His options are pretty limited at that point.

The dialogue is pretty bad, but I'm guessing he's dressed it up quite a bit to support his side further.

Who knows. What a mess.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by RyZ

I completely agree that in this day and age, there is no reason for every cop and and every squad car to not have a camera that is always on and recording.

Actually, there is a very good reason.

[nik-]

well, there are reasons. Not good reasons.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

From what I read, the DA didn't even cross-examine Wilson.

I thought that was interesting, however if the Prosecutor is preparing for a trial does he really want to cross examine, or does he want to save his cross examination in case it goes to trial so he gives the witness as little pre notice of how he's going to attack his story?

Wouldn't it be the same as taking an affidavit, I don't know if you try a case in front of a Grand Jury. You present the evidence and testimony and the Grand Jury decides if it would survive all of the pre trial motions and is credible enough to survive a trial.

[troutman]

More than 100 protests over Ferguson decision planned

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/25/us/nat...html?hpt=hp_t2

As of Tuesday morning, more than 100 protests were planned in 32 U.S. states, Washington, D.C., and Canada, according to information from a site set up to help organize the efforts.

[Flash Walken]

In the record, why does it say Brown was detained in the first place?

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Actually, there is a very good reason.

And what is that reason?

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by troutman

Let's protest some media sensationalized story and ignore all the true injustices that occur on a daily basis around the world!

Its a gathering of the ignorant

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

In the record, why does it say Brown was detained in the first place?

He was never detained. The cop pulled up told them to not walk in the middle of the road. Then put 2+2 together from a call he had heard about suspects fleeing a store robbery and noted these guys had a box(es) of cigarillos and decided to talk to them further.

[terminator]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Let's protest some media sensationalized story and ignore all the true injustices that occur on a daily basis around the world!

Its a gathering of the ignorant

Gathering of the ignorant? They are protesting a decision they don't agree with, how is what they are doing ignorant? Should they light up torches for all injustices? This one just may hit closer to home for them; they might be the people who refuse to see race however took notice that yet again the the USofA a black kid's murder at the hands of the pigs goes without justice.

Jesus, straighten up.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by terminator

Gathering of the ignorant? They are protesting a decision they don't agree with, how is what they are doing ignorant? Should they light up torches for all injustices? This one just may hit closer to home for them; they might be the people who refuse to see race however took notice that yet again the the USofA a black kid's murder at the hands of the pigs goes without justice.

Jesus, straighten up.

If you even spent 3 minutes flipping through the evidence, you would know why it would be called a gathering of the ignorant.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by terminator

Gathering of the ignorant? They are protesting a decision they don't agree with, how is what they are doing ignorant? Should they light up torches for all injustices? This one just may hit closer to home for them; they might be the people who refuse to see race however took notice that yet again the the USofA a black kid's murder at the hands of the pigs goes without justice.

Jesus, straighten up.

Just keep eating up the spin they're feeding you in the media. At the end of the day there isn't much to protest in this case. Look at the evidence, read the reports and then we can chat. You're making yourself sound pretty uninformed.

There are hundreds of murders every day and those are the sort of things that should get people fired up to protest over. Or real race issues and equality, those are all causes worth standing up for. A robber who assaulted and tried taking the gun of a cop is not one of them.