CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Oling_Roachinen]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Night_Action

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?...ion_Resolution

There is natural action resolution that needs to be followed. My investigation can't be instantaneous, everyone sends in their actions then Mazrim would go through the list and resolve all issues.

Otherwise, how could I be roleblocked? Or redirected? Or how about if my target is redirected?

We send in all actions, including kills, and then Mazrim waits until close to the start of the day (maybe get a head start if everyone sent in) and then goes through whatever his action resolution is. Timbo, you know you got my investigation result near the end of the day, so why are people trying to argue I get it earlier?

By the way when did you even send in your action Diss?

[Drury18]

Oling, let me entertain you briefly here. Because this is something else that's bothering me:

Let's say Dissentower is mafia. He's obviously not the Godfather. You tracked him, you caught him. Godfather would have been blocked.

You've tracked me, you saw I did nothing. You didn't get a block. I'm not the Godfather.

You didn't track Timbo, so we don't know if he's blocked. However the bucket role is reliant on him not standing behind someone who will be killed by the mafia otherwise he will be killed. This doesn't add up for him to be the Godfather, ordering hits, then "hiding" behind someone to see what happens and hoping he doesn't get killed. And he's produced confirmed results, so again, that's going to be alot of coordinating there that I don't think could happen. Also, if you are right, Starseed's power didn't work due to him being light.

You didn't track HG, so you don't know if it's blocked or not. When Timbo went behind him with the bucket, he got a double vote when Pux and Starseed put a single on HG15 (and again, my powers did not come with a caveat. I'm 100% sure that vote didn't come from me) . HG transformed your power and confirmed something you said, but no one has seen him do anything. His Master Sword (of which I can find no role, no explanation, no previous online mafia game that's ever seen a rewind so I can't even look up information to see what it is and where the alignment might be whether light, mafia or either) was a daytime use which would have shown him as having only a day power so it wouldn't make sense to send a tracker to view him, he was powerless due to a day action.

There has to be a mafia leader. The NHL Game had a godfather, the double mafia game didn't but it was a different setup by far. When you look up information about mafia games, most have the leader, the Godfather or something similar. That person would be blocked from investigation or come up town. We've flipped two mafia and have a Bus Driver and Watcher, neither really sounding like a leadership mafia role.

What if HG15 is the Godfather? You've investigated the other 3 of us and got results. We can't be that role.

He hammers Diss and takes out the partner, but he kills one of you, me and Timbo. Tomorrow goes with 2-1 and banking on the town to pick the right one whose scum. HG15 hammers scum so he's a hero. Chances are, the two town vote each other in some wild finger pointing contest, HG15 hammers whoever and wins.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Timbo

There is a flames game on you know

Don't remind me. I had Ramo as my goalie in my fantasy hockey league. Played him and Halak over Price. The hell was I thinking?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Oling, let me entertain you briefly here. Because this is something else that's bothering me:

Let's say Dissentower is mafia. He's obviously not the Godfather. You tracked him, you caught him. Godfather would have been blocked.

You've tracked me, you saw I did nothing. You didn't get a block. I'm not the Godfather.

You didn't track Timbo, so we don't know if he's blocked. However the bucket role is reliant on him not standing behind someone who will be killed by the mafia otherwise he will be killed. This doesn't add up for him to be the Godfather, ordering hits, then "hiding" behind someone to see what happens and hoping he doesn't get killed. And he's produced confirmed results, so again, that's going to be alot of coordinating there that I don't think could happen. Also, if you are right, Starseed's power didn't work due to him being light.

You didn't track HG, so you don't know if it's blocked or not. When Timbo went behind him with the bucket, he got a double vote when Pux and Starseed put a single on HG15 (and again, my powers did not come with a caveat. I'm 100% sure that vote didn't come from me) . HG transformed your power and confirmed something you said, but no one has seen him do anything. His Master Sword (of which I can find no role, no explanation, no previous online mafia game that's ever seen a rewind so I can't even look up information to see what it is and where the alignment might be whether light, mafia or either) was a daytime use which would have shown him as having only a day power so it wouldn't make sense to send a tracker to view him, he was powerless due to a day action.

There has to be a mafia leader. The NHL Game had a godfather, the double mafia game didn't but it was a different setup by far. When you look up information about mafia games, most have the leader, the Godfather or something similar. That person would be blocked from investigation or come up town. We've flipped two mafia and have a Bus Driver and Watcher, neither really sounding like a leadership mafia role.

What if HG15 is the Godfather? You've investigated the other 3 of us and got results. We can't be that role.

He hammers Diss and takes out the partner, but he kills one of you, me and Timbo. Tomorrow goes with 2-1 and banking on the town to pick the right one whose scum. HG15 hammers scum so he's a hero. Chances are, the two town vote each other in some wild finger pointing contest, HG15 hammers whoever and wins.

I've considered this, and I specifically went back to make sure my PM of yours was different than Formulate (it was). Like I said, I thought Hockeyguy15 was the Godfather, both his very inconspicuous actions and the fact he's the only one who could be one made me believe that.

But if HG15 is the godfather, which up until his last minute heroics I thought, why did he save me over his partner?

I'm not going to pretend, I know Diss is mafia. He target Puxlut, came up with some weird excuse why I had to kill her based on my investigation results that don't work that way. So if Hockeyguy15 is his partner, they could have killed me and gone 2-2 into night (maybe 3-2 if you used your power I suppose) and end up tomorrow 2-1. I guess 2-2 with your power and the possible vote on Diss might be scary for them.


Assuming they are working together, the only scenario I could think of was maybe they got worried that you showed up 5 minutes before and thought you were planning on using your power so they decided that Hockeyguy15 should switch but after you and Timbo came up with reasons to vote me out you would "convince" Hockeyguy15 and I would be lynched and it would look like Hockeyguy15 was definitely working against Diss. But that's a risky strategy as you might not have voted for me or used your power.

Or, just thinking, maybe they thought a last minute switch against Diss would cause you to use your power and save Diss and make it look like me and Hockeyguy15 are the bad guys.

Could be working to separate themselves because they are afraid of the cult powers, your power and that vote on Diss. And I did say that you and Timbo were 100% town, my death would have been bad for them.

But personally, I think that Hockeyguy15 is town now.

[Oling_Roachinen]

At one point Diss had a doctor from somewhere, extra votes and an unlynchable ability.

Other than your now reveal Drury, he's the only person who had 2 one-time abilities.

And all 3 of them would be fine if he was caught visiting someone.

If I target him when he visit GGG, "Oh I was just using my doctor." GGG dies of poison next turn (or maybe they have some other 2 kill ability or Rathji was poison I don't know).

If I target him when he visit Puxlut "Oh I was just giving her the extra votes." Puxlut dies and blames me for killing her.

If I somehow lived and he visits Drury18/Timbo "Oh I was just making sure he was unylynchable."

Again, the last 3 to reveal. Girlysports came up with a reason why we couldn't vote her out. It was Diss who first jumped off. Why don't we think the mafia is smart enough to come up with a reason to have Diss visit townies?

Maybe he is the last mafia member.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Timbo and HG, where are you guys?

I find it a little funny for someone who switched their vote because of my inaction and for someone who was following me, they have absolutely no questions for either Diss or Oling. You guys have nothing you want answered? Surely you've looked into this yourselves and have questions.

We have until 10pm tomorrow, start asking guys.

Sorry, been a busy day running errands/chores.

I'm going to go back over the Diss/Rathji stuff. I found it weird that he was so sure Rathji wasn't confirmed town and his power was helping the Mafia, then all of the sudden he gives up and says he was wrong.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

But if HG15 is the godfather, which up until his last minute heroics I thought, why did he save me over his partner?

I already laid that out. He votes for Diss, Diss flips scum and he becomes the hero. He falls off all our radars. One of you, me and Timbo gets killed overnight and that we go into Day 11 with some combo of me, you, Timbo and HG15. The town put votes on each other screaming scum, HG15 hammers whatever one of us he wants and wins.

Or, just thinking, maybe they thought a last minute switch against Diss would cause you to use your power and save Diss and make it look like me and Hockeyguy15 are the bad guys.

That's another possibility. Then they put me, Diss and you in the final and I know I'm town, Diss claims he backs me as town and saviour and you get killed thought of being scum and partner since HG15 moved off you and voted Diss.

But personally, I think that Hockeyguy15 is town now.

Why? Outside of voting Diss and not you at the last minute, why?

I posted this a couple days ago. He kept his hands out of the Aeneas vote and pulled out of the GirlySports one buying her reveal right away, tossed a vote on Diss and then voted Squiggs.

Originally Posted by Drury18

In the Aeneas vote, it was Starseed, HG15 and Timbo who never voted for him.

Starseed also only voted for GirlySports once before, early on Day 2. The rest of his votes that day were: GirlySports, East Coast Flame, hmmhmmcamo, Aeneas, Delgar, hmmhmmcamo. His votes on Day 7 were: Squiggs96, Dissentower, Oling_Roachinen

HG15 only voted GirlySports early on Day 7 and changed his to Dissentower and Squiggs after GirlySports made the Princess claim.

Timbo was also a early voter on GirlySports on Day 2 and changed to hmmhmmcamo. On Day 7 his voting was: GirlySports (changed after the Princess claim), Dissentower, Oling_Roachinen, Squiggs96

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Other than your now reveal Drury, he's the only person who had 2 one-time abilities.

You are incorrect. My ability is a two-shot.

Diss has two separate abilities he could use once. I have one ability I can use twice.

[Hockeyguy15]

If you guys think we are sitting at 4-1 I have no issue with you lynching me, then we go into tomorrow at 2-1 and hopefully we get the last Mafia member.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Why? Outside of voting Diss and not you at the last minute, why?

I'm town. I know this.

Diss is mafia. I know this.

You don't get the same luxury if you are town, I understand.

If HG15 was mafia, why not just let me die? Kill you, vote Timbo tomorrow with Diss and win the game? Just too afraid of the powers? Afraid that my reveal would point to them? I don't know if it would have been worth the risk of voting out his partner.

Also, this is sudden death. It's between me and Diss. No one else can die.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

At one point Diss had a doctor from somewhere, extra votes and an unlynchable ability.

Other than your now reveal Drury, he's the only person who had 2 one-time abilities.

And all 3 of them would be fine if he was caught visiting someone.

If I target him when he visit GGG, "Oh I was just using my doctor." GGG dies of poison next turn (or maybe they have some other 2 kill ability or Rathji was poison I don't know).

If I target him when he visit Puxlut "Oh I was just giving her the extra votes." Puxlut dies and blames me for killing her.

If I somehow lived and he visits Drury18/Timbo "Oh I was just making sure he was unylynchable."

Again, the last 3 to reveal. Girlysports came up with a reason why we couldn't vote her out. It was Diss who first jumped off. Why don't we think the mafia is smart enough to come up with a reason to have Diss visit townies?

Maybe he is the last mafia member.

This might be your best post and argument in your defence.

The fact he visited the last two to die. However you were there too.
Quite the dilemma.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Timbo

This might be your best post and argument in your defence.

The fact he visited the last two to die. However you were there too.
Quite the dilemma.

Yesterday I tracked Dissentowner.

The day before I tracked Starseed (and got you with your bucket).

Diss said he used his doctor on GGG.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yesterday I tracked Dissentowner.

The day before I tracked Starseed (and got you with your bucket).

Diss said he used his doctor on GGG.

Yesterday I tracked Dissentowner

The day before I tracked Starseed

The day before that I tracked Starseed

Yesterday Dissentowner visited Puxlut (claims votes)

The day before that I think he said he did nothing

The day before that he visited GGG (claims doctor)

[Timbo]

So I am not sure how it works but I doctored GGG on that same night, would that not have protected him from a poison attempt?
Never mind I found this.
In games with poison, it is up to the moderator as to whether Doctors protect against the poison.
My Guardian power may have been false too.

[dissentowner]

Sorry all for not being around, I had a call in, will post after my shift

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Timbo

So I am not sure how it works but I doctored GGG on that same night, would that not have protected him from a poison attempt?
Never mind I found this.
In games with poison, it is up to the moderator as to whether Doctors protect against the poison.
My Guardian power may have been false too.

Timbo!!!! You bucket Puxlut that day, right?!

You didn't get her result. You were blocked. Not only would that explain the poison working on GGG if that's the case but much more importantly:

Originally Posted by Mazrim

You will be able to repeat a one-shot or otherwise limited use investigative action if it fails, but obviously you’re out of luck if you wouldn’t have been informed of the action’s success or failure in the first place.

We've got a potential doctor tonight.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Actually I don't know with that wording, Timbo want to PM Mazrim and see if you can reuse the doctor if you were blocked?

Not that I trust these powers too much, but worth the chance.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Timbo

So I am not sure how it works but I doctored GGG on that same night, would that not have protected him from a poison attempt?
Never mind I found this.
In games with poison, it is up to the moderator as to whether Doctors protect against the poison.
My Guardian power may have been false too.

I also doctored GGG that night as well

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I'm town. I know this.

Diss is mafia. I know this.

You don't get the same luxury if you are town, I understand.

If HG15 was mafia, why not just let me die? Kill you, vote Timbo tomorrow with Diss and win the game? Just too afraid of the powers? Afraid that my reveal would point to them? I don't know if it would have been worth the risk of voting out his partner.

Also, this is sudden death. It's between me and Diss. No one else can die.

I know you are full of crap. I am not mafia and you know it. I have proven town through my voting pattern. The two scum that we lynched were both gunning for me. When I was offered powers I discussed if I should take them with the board. I revealed two powers that if I was scum there would be no way in hell I would reveal. Funny how when I said the town had this in the bag you said how do we know you don't have a partner that will even the votes at the last minute? That is exactly what happened. Coincidence? Come on. Everything you are posting is the same smoke and mirrors. I am town, Drury is town, Timbo is town and we know this and we are going to win and no amount of circles you keep running around is going to change it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Timbo

The Serial Killer is just as much a danger to mafia as it is to town.

I am not in total belief of Dissentowner but many of your arguments against him are things you yourself have been guilty of.

His visiting of Puxlut on the night of her death is very disturbing I will agree.

Lots of time yet to bash ideas about.

I don't know what else to say. I gave her the Chaos Emeralds because I thought she would still be here today and I knew she could be trusted after starseed flipped town. He was the driving force between those two and she kind of sat back. Her power was not much use and I figured given what I still had I was going to die or Drury or even HG15 if he was town. She seemed the safest bet. I still think Oling must have gotten that investigation report before the kill, it makes the most sense. He knew I was going to hand the Emeralds to someone and they would have an extra vote, he had to stop that.