CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Hockeyguy15]

Works for me, I have a fundraiser party tonight. Thanks for the heads up Mazrim!

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

In my mind, there was also the matter of Diss previously playing a cop role in the last game and between actually being one and having the same role last game, was Mazrim really going to just give him that again? Yes, it was random but I'm sure there is some thought into not repeating roles and in Diss' case, giving him something painfully obvious.

It's random. There was just as much chance of him being the cop than anyone else. I really, really, don't like this excuse here.

Originally Posted by Drury18

Does it make sense why Diss would openly defend all of his buddies? Surely this could come back to bite him later. Those three don't reveal the powers and all protecting each other that openly? That's too obvious. Diss has played this game twice before, I doubt he does this.

Aeneas and Girlysports also very openly worked together. We all saw it. It was on Twilight 6 when Wood specifically called Puxlut to kill one of those three that they really separated themselves. I think they were willing to sacrifice one another because they were caught (outside of the 4th member).

Originally Posted by Drury18

In that case, it almost asks the question why Timbo wouldn't have been killed during the night instead of Wood. Timbo hadn't owned up to making the error about knowing the cop until Day 7, after Wood was killed. Scum could have believed he was the cop and killed him. They didn't.

No. On Day 4 Timbo received the bucket vote from targettng hockeyguy15 (and Starseed/Puxlut) targeting hockeyguy15. He proved his power, he was certainly not the cop.

Originally Posted by Drury18

Diss made it known he had the crystals and shoes. YOU said that I was the townie that was pretty much dead during the night so why would Diss go and hand me crystals or shoes to help the town going into the next day when it looked like I was going to be the dead townie the next morning? I'm not seeing weird excuses.

No no no. You're missing my argument. Him targeting Puxlut is one thing. That's fine, if he would have just said that he thought you were going to die and that Puxlut was confirmed townie I wouldn't be able to make an argument to that.

But when I called him out for visiting Puxlut he said that's why Puxlut died. His argument was that I saw him visit Puxlut and killed Puxlut because I knew she had the votes. My power, as confirmed by Timbo and Hockeyguy15 and the rules of mafia, allows me to see who people visit at the end of the night. I don't get my results until right before Mazrim posts the first post of the day. I would not be able to see he visit Puxlut and then kill Puxlut. That's not how the game works.

So he saw that I saw he killed Puxlut so he came up with a quick excuse on why that meant I killed Puxlut. I walked in on him with blood soaked hands and a knife in his hand and he turned to me and said "you did this!"

Originally Posted by Drury

I am going to guess over confidence because I have the lynch overturn power and I have consistently said I thought he was town. I've had him on my list from the start, I specifically told him a few days ago that I thought he was town and I wanted him to turn down an invite because I felt so strongly he was town and I wanted him and I to stay out of the cults and hopefully at the end to win this thing for the town. I could see where he assumes I have his back because my words for the past few days point that way.

I think he was banking on the fact I was going to save his ass regardless because I've never said anything outside of trusting him. In a fight between you and him, looking at my past comments, the likelyhood of me backing him is stronger than backing you.

Sure, I agree with this. I also believes that's the reason you're alive if you aren't his mafia friend.

Still that he didn't even consider the possibility that Timbo would swap his vote means that, despite him arguing we were probably working together, actually believe it.

Originally Posted by Drury

Few more things I'd like to toss in that puts doubt in my mind that Diss is scum. When we were all (me included) trying to string up GGG for the second time, Diss doesn't want to and votes GirlySports. That's BALLSY if he's scum.

How is that ballsy? Going against the entire town and saying to vote out Girlysports when there was no shot? That's the least ballsy time to vote for your mafia friends. Nice excuse down the road but no way you were going to get him out.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Diss was on Squiggs96 for most of the game. When it came to lynch Squiggs96, where was Diss? Oh, he voted for Puxlut that day.

Diss was on the MOT for nearly as much of the game, called Starseed dangerous and a thinker and warned us we had to get him out. But when Starseed accuses Hockeyguy15 as mafia, he didn't really take much convincing that this was Starseed's last chance of living and was a lie, which was funny because it was.

But he covered his base:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Starseed, I find it really strange you chose HG15 over me. Like really strange...

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, it makes sense to me. If starseed was scum he could have said he used this ability on me and probably got a lynch on me. It would have been way easier than coming up with HG15. I know I am town and I think if he was scum I would have been the target. I hate to say it but I think I was wrong. Gee, what a surprise. It is getting to the nitty gritty now, there can be no errors. Do I trust him after being 99% sure about him and pux using the MOT as a scum tool. For some damn reason I do.

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well this is interesting. It has come down to starseed/Puxlut or HG15/Oling. Pretty obvious one pair is dark, the other light.

I think what happened is that Diss, being mafia, was at first happy that Starseed called hockeyguy15 mafia. Because now he could go with Starseed, and when hockeyguy15 revealed town he would have had the easy excuse to lynch Starseed today. It then came to him that Starseed, being town and he knew, had something up his sleeve and realized that Starseed, Puxlut and their vote being around would cause at best a 3-3 vote so he backed off.

[Drury18]

What were you saying about Diss during the Squiggs vote? Oh yea:

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

For what it's worth I trust diss now. If the vote ends up being between me and him I think you should vote me. We might need the extra vote and lynchproof to stop the scum from having enough to win the game.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

There's 0 reason to vote for diss today. Mafia found his power and wants him dead. Lynchproof, extra vote and doctor? Those are killers to the mafia considering where we are at.

I won't be on for a bit now but hopefully be on later. If not and I die, don't be idiots. Squiggs96 tomorrow 100%. Don't care about the message or the invites or any other distraction.

Starred don't give your vote to him though, they will deflect it and could have enough for the win.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Also if I was mafia, why was I tracking Starseed twice in a row?

I thought he was mafia, if I was mafia I knew he was town and knew tracking him was useless because all he had was a vote that would be shown in the morning.

Wouldn't I have been more afraid of Dissentowner?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

What were you saying about Diss during the Squiggs vote? Oh yea:

Yes? And?

Why would I sacrifice myself over Diss if I was mafia and he was town?

It was a tie vote for me and him at that point. He fooled me.

[Drury18]

Same day as the Squiggs vote:

Originally Posted by GGG

Diss is NOW confirmed as town.

Good work on stepping up and killing Girly. If we were wrong today she was my only choice tomorrow when her Princess claim didn't matter. You really took the game in your hands there. Nice work.

Originally Posted by starseed

I may have been guilty of skimming, what is the summary on Diss being cleared?

Originally Posted by GGG

After Rathji's mega post on Diss, we start to bandwagon Diss. Girly has already voted when me, hockey guy and you I think jump on board. Girly then campaigns for Pux to lynch him.

Trying to use the bonus vote as an arguement that pux already thinks he's guilty so why not finish him off.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yes? And?

Why would I sacrifice myself over Diss if I was mafia and he was town

Or you are both mafia and that was the only way to clear one of you because the pressure was on both. Both of you went in opposite directions, one flips scum the other can distance themselves easily.

Would explain why you are getting into fights with a townie while Diss is sitting quietly in the background.

Would explain why it's me talking and not him defending himself.

Would explain why Diss isn't jumping in to help me the same why I'm helping him.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Same day as the Squiggs vote:

So their plan worked?

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Vote Count:

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 4 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (1): Timbo

Voted:
dissentowner (4): GirlySports, Hockeyguy15, Aeneas
Oling_Roachinen (4): squiggs96, GGG, Puxlut, starseed
squiggs96 (2): Oling_Roachinen, Rathji
Puxlut (1):
starseed (1): dissentowner
GirlySports (1): Drury18

The deadline is Tuesday, October 28th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

(Rathji, you didn't unvote so your vote did not count)

The votes at the time I ask to keep Diss over me. All 3 votes at the time are on Diss are expected to be mafia? What happened to the not blatant thing? And why would I be willing to ask the rest of the town to vote me over Diss at that point? All my friends would have already been voting Diss, I wouldn't have had something up my sleeve.

Telling town to take me out in a 4-4 tie while my mafia friends can't help me isn't a good idea....

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Or you are both mafia and that was the only way to clear one of you because the pressure was on both. Both of you went in opposite directions, one flips scum the other can distance themselves easily.

Would explain why you are getting into fights with a townie while Diss is sitting quietly in the background.

Would explain why it's me talking and not him defending himself.

Would explain why Diss isn't jumping in to help me the same why I'm helping him.

No, we aren't.

Why would we set it up so one of us dies today?

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

But when I called him out for visiting Puxlut he said that's why Puxlut died. His argument was that I saw him visit Puxlut and killed Puxlut because I knew she had the votes. My power, as confirmed by Timbo and Hockeyguy15 and the rules of mafia, allows me to see who people visit at the end of the night. I don't get my results until right before Mazrim posts the first post of the day. I would not be able to see he visit Puxlut and then kill Puxlut. That's not how the game works.

Where are you getting your "facts" on this? Where is it "fact" that you only see what happens at the end of the night?

No where in this does it say you can only see end of night stuff: http://mafiawiki.notesmash.org/wiki/Tracker

It says this:

A Tracker is an investigative role which can follow another player and see either who they targeted that night, if anyone. Trackers are extremely useful for discovering power roles, as vanilla players do not have night actions.

[Drury18]

Hell, let's toss this in. Mazrim HIMSELF has said he doesn't disclose how he resolves the powers at night. So your "fact" doesn't really hold up here.

Originally Posted by Mazrim

The reason I don't link to mafiascum is because they do things a little differently than elsewhere and you shouldn't rely on their word as gospel, especially for things like resolving power roles.

Originally Posted by GGG

Can you post a link to how you resolve powers? Or is that supposed to be hidden?

Originally Posted by Mazrim

No. It's not something I will discuss until after the game.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Timbo got his result at the end of the night when things were being resolved...

My investigation results come at the end of the night, yesterday I got it a minute before the next day started. That's how the power works.

Again, how could I get results instantaneously if my actions could be blocked? Or redirected? Or the person I tracked didn't put in his action until last minute?

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

I would not be able to see he visit Puxlut and then kill Puxlut. That's not how the game works.

Explain how as a tracker and you following this person, you wouldn't see ALL of their actions. Explain how this couldn't happen.

You get your answer at the end of the night, so you would get all actions done by that person at night.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Explain how as a tracker and you following this person, you wouldn't see ALL of their actions. Explain how this couldn't happen.

You get your answer at the end of the night, so you would get all actions done by that person at night.

When did I say anything different?

I see everyone someone visits at the end of the night. Yesterday Diss only visit Puxlut.

While it didn't happen this game, I would be able to see if someone visits 2 people in the night. (Now if they used 2 actions on the same individual I would only see the 1 visit I believe).

[Drury18]

Timbo and HG, where are you guys?

I find it a little funny for someone who switched their vote because of my inaction and for someone who was following me, they have absolutely no questions for either Diss or Oling. You guys have nothing you want answered? Surely you've looked into this yourselves and have questions.

We have until 10pm tomorrow, start asking guys.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Diss was on Squiggs96 for most of the game. When it came to lynch Squiggs96, where was Diss? Oh, he voted for Puxlut that day.

Diss was on the MOT for nearly as much of the game, called Starseed dangerous and a thinker and warned us we had to get him out.

This is what bothers me Oling It was Hockeyguy15 who called starseed the thinker and Diss agreed 4625

Diss agreed http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...unt=4626"]4626

Then there is this 4660

Oling you accuse everyone, twist ideas,and have end game answers to everything yet have nothing of substance.

You have not swayed my next vote.
You remind me of Stalin who when asked which is better quality or quantity in terms of soldiers and he replied quantity
is a quality in itself.
You are just carpet bombing with accusations and theories and subtle twists in truth.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Timbo and HG, where are you guys?

There is a flames game on you know

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Timbo

Oling you accuse everyone, twist ideas,and have end game answers to everything yet have nothing of substance.

Except I called out the Serial Killer when he was on no ones radar and I was perfectly fine and I wanted to go after Wood's 4 unknowns to start Day 7 when he was 3/4 right.

Other people lying shouldn't be on me.

[Timbo]

The Serial Killer is just as much a danger to mafia as it is to town.

I am not in total belief of Dissentowner but many of your arguments against him are things you yourself have been guilty of.

His visiting of Puxlut on the night of her death is very disturbing I will agree.

Lots of time yet to bash ideas about.