[PGT] Flames 4 - Caps 3 ... point barons!

[getbak]

A Boring GWG...

Boring Sean Monahan ‏@boringmonahan

I said thanks to Josh Jooris for passing me the puck and he said thank you for passing me the puck so I could pass you the puck and score.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sven finished with a -1, 1 shot, no hits, no blocks, no anything else.

Setoguchi had 5 hits (most on the team), 1 shot, 1 block. Byron had 3 shots, 3 hits, 1 block. I'd say this is why they got some more ice.

Probably not the best way to measure a player's effectiveness.

If Sven makes it in the NHL, he's going to be a player like Hudler, not Setoguchi or Byron.

[JohnnyT]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Just guessing - Colborne > Raymond > Backlund > Stajan.

Backlund is tough. Could be another week, could be several.

Colborne was skating before and during practice in Montreal yesterday
Don't think any of Raymond, Backlund or Ferland made the trip so probably won't hear any updates on them until we get back home

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Probably not the best way to measure a player's effectiveness.

Well, if a player is hardly noticeable all game, how else are you going to measure their effectiveness?

[Dion]

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Probably not the best way to measure a player's effectiveness.

If Sven makes it in the NHL, he's going to be a player like Hudler, not Setoguchi or Byron.

He's a small forward like Gaudreau and has to create scoring chances to make it in the NHL. We already have that in Gaudreau and Byron. He needs to be as good as those two or better.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Well, if a player is hardly noticeable all game, how else are you going to measure their effectiveness?

I don't think anyone is arguing Baertschi hasn't been noticeable, just that, given the player he is and his current, he's probably not going to be very noticeable in 7:30 of ice time.

I don't think it was proper to call him up and then put him in this role. Of course he's not going to out play Gaudreau or Glencross right now.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't think anyone is arguing Baertschi hasn't been noticeable, just that, given the player he is and his current, he's probably not going to be very noticeable in 7:30 of ice time.

That' just an excuse. Whatever time he is given he has to show something to the coaching staff to get more. It makes it harder when there are other players who are more deserving of the extra ice time.

[Mony]

I just want to drop in to say that I am so happy and proud of this team.

When you lose a hobby and get back into it, like when I got back into hockey last year, I found a passion for the rebuilding Flames I loved when I was a kid. I was sort of rebuilding as they were.

It is so, so nice to come back into this sport watching a team that loves to play it as much as you love to watch it. That never gives up and is the textbook definition of hard work. Last year I proudly wore my Flames jersey even after they lost and beamed with even more pride walking into school a day after they won. It's an amazing feeling and a pleasure cheering for these lovable underdogs.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Probably not the best way to measure a player's effectiveness.

If Sven makes it in the NHL, he's going to be a player like Hudler, not Setoguchi or Byron.

You gotta get noticed somehow. If you're not scoring you have to contribute in other ways. Monahan hasn't scored a lot compared to his start last year. But he's been providing good defence.

At the very least Sven should provide energy. Shots on goal.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by jg13

3 of the top 6 scoring defence men in the NHL are Flames - pretty frickin awesome!

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by getbak

A Boring GWG...

Boring Sean Monahan ‏@boringmonahan

I said thanks to Josh Jooris for passing me the puck and he said thank you for passing me the puck so I could pass you the puck and score.

Thanks, but what does this have to do with Sven Baertschi?

[mile]

Originally Posted by c.t.ner

Not to pick on this and I'm sure I'll be flamed for this, but it's a 50-50 split between the player and the team. By that logic, then the only people responsible for the mess up in Edmonton is their young guns.

Has Sven's progress been a disappointment over the past year. It sure has. But successful teams find a way to get the most out of their assets. If the Flames and Sven can find the balance to get this kid's career back on track they are far better off than writing him off right now and calling it over. Sven's NHL stats show that he can play, I'm sure everyone including Sven is probably frustrated that it's not coming together as quickly as everyone wants.

As much as people want to call this kids time over in Calgary the benefit is that the organization has time to turn his career around. IMO it's somewhat of a benefit that kids like Monahan, Gadureau and Granland are playing so well as it gives the organization some buffer room to find the solution to get this kid back on track.

Good post. Part of the responsibility of any team (especially a rebuilding team) is to work with a player through their struggles and try to find a solution. Sven's a young player and his confidence has taken a hit. There absolutely should be guidance during a time like this, he shouldn't be left to try and figure it out on his own. While the help may be there, it'd be nice if there were more of an indication from Hartley in public that they have complete confidence in Sven though.

At the same time, it's up to Sven to recognize that he can't play scared and has to provide energy. It's tough to figure out what the problem is exactly - I don't think it is effort. This is a guy who has worked hard in the Summer for camp and has shown he is willing to put in extra time in Adirondack to figure it out. Hopefully, just like Backlund's struggles last year, Sven finds a way to turn it around.

[stone hands]

I dont think sven should have been called up to play that role

Interestingly the flames now have some roster decisions that might impact him though. he can't be a 3rd line player when it has to be a checking line because we dont have enough skill, but if people get bumped from the lineup and we can have a skilled 3rd line, he might find a home

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Rebuild is over guys.

Whoa there nancy, just give it a few weeks and see from there.

[PIMking]

Honestly don't want to see big Ern go anywhere. Not because he is a face basher, rather he seems to be the "adult presence" veteran leadership to these young guys.

[Hatter]

What a weird (yet fun) game! Beautiful play on the OT winner, and it was nice to see Bouma really fight for position to score that first goal. He said before the season he wanted to create more offence, and pushing to the front of the net is step one.

I still don't think the Flames will be a playoff team this year, but there is definite positives to take from their play thus far this season. I feel our rebuild is in good hands and we will be real competitors sooner rather than later.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Thanks, but what does this have to do with Sven Baertschi?

Sven Baertschi is no good.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Probably not the best way to measure a player's effectiveness.

If Sven makes it in the NHL, he's going to be a player like Hudler, not Setoguchi or Byron.

I remember reading something (Hartley I think) said a while back. A player has to contribute something. If they are not scoring they have to contribute elsewhere whether it's hitting, providing energy, puck possession, block shots, whatever, they have to contribute. Byron and Hudler have shown they contribute when not scoring. Setoguchi has the last two games but after Sven, he's the next underperformer and the next to go, IMO. Sven needs to contribute more and prove he can contribute more consistently when not scoring and yes he can do that with the icetime he is getting. Byron did, Jooris is, Gaudreau is and they are getting rewarded with more icetime and responsibility. Sven has to step up.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Whoa there nancy, just give it a few weeks and see from there.

Haha. Start of November is too early. End of November? Perfect time to call it.