CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Rathji

We need to be sure on this lynch, and every lynch following.

Yes nothing is more true than this statement at this point in the game.

This is also why I pulled out of the Diss lynch, I was not sure. Even with my Oling vote I am not 100% sure on him my suspicion of him is slightly greater than my suspicion of Dissentowner.

It seems a lot of us have come up with investigations none of which are conclusive. Like I said before I am flummoxed.

[Rathji]

So at this point, my vote boils down to what Girlysports/Aeneas/(and maybe Timbo) did to try and manipulate the voting to get Pux and/or myself to hammer on Diss.

Here are the options as I see them, please feel free to add or point out any problems with them:

1. Diss is town and they are trying to pressure us into voting for him to eliminate a critical day

2. Diss is mafia, and they are trying to distance themselves from him to relieve suspicion. This wouldn't help today, but will cause issues down the road when determining who to vote for. Again, they likely need only one day to go bad to win.

3. The fact that this manipulation is happening at all, means that Aeneas and Girlysports
are working together, so why hammer Diss at all and instead we should be nailing one of them.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Sounds exactly like someone who wants an excuse when Squiggs96 is revealed as scum but doesn't want to actually show his suspicious activities because they don't want people to focus on them.

My new list is:
Squiggs96 - 100 percent
Aeneas
Girlysports
Timbo

Na I have been calling him weird all game.

Odd duck
A bubble off plumb
The funny thing is..when Squiggs was brought to almost lynch I found his self defence so disjointed that I thought can this really be a scum defence? If it is then it's brilliant in a mad sort of way.

Either that or he is wired completely different than me.

[dissentowner]

Main Suspects: Starseed/puxlut. They were secretive and weird since day 1. Go back and read the twilights, they lead us to confusion and lynching townies or putting them under suspicion. Why would they not have been up front about it from the start? Why did they go so hard after GGG who we can now pretty much assume is town? Look at the amount of dead townies that we were advised to be suspicious of. Could I be wrong on this? Sure, but it bares looking into.

girlysports: There is no doubt she is scum, it is a matter of if she is telling the truth and we lose a day by lynching her and when we are prepared to lose that day.

Those are the only players I feel comfortable listing there.

Players I believe are safe: GGG. We can't lynch him and that would be unfair to have a scum with that power.
Rathji. GS power is the Ying to his Yang so I think despite the back and forth between us I have realized I was barking up the wrong tree and reaching. I trust him now, even if he votes for me.
Timbo: Don't think he is scum with that bucket power.

Everybody else I am unsure of although squiggs is weird and Chu is annoying.

[GirlySports]

It wasn't manipulation, I was just asking why if you and Pux were certain that Diss was mafia why you were afraid to hammer. Pux makes sense now, she was indecisive and now her vote has gone to Oling. You on the other hand waited til the vote went down to 4 so it was safe. So you voted for him finally. And now you've unvoted again.

You're protecting diss, trying not to associate with him. I think everyone can see this.

Even now Diss is suddenly ok with rathji. That whole argument was a charade.

[GirlySports]

I admire squiggs for staying in character throughout. I think it's cute

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Rathji

So at this point, my vote boils down to what Girlysports/Aeneas/(and maybe Timbo) did to try and manipulate the voting to get Pux and/or myself to hammer on Diss.

How in the world am I associated with manipulating you to hammer Diss? By my unvoting?

Sorry I am missing something in your logic. Aeneas and Girly yes, me no.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by GGG

It wouldn't make sense for Starseed and pux to switch like that if they are scum. Jumping on a diss wagon to save Squiggs could make sense but jumping off that and onto someone else doesn't.

My read of Diss's power is that he gives someone the ability to cast two votes not that he gives someone extra votes like pux and Squiggs.

Also Pux and Squiggs for tomorrow I wouldn't hand out your extra vote. It combined with diss's vote could give scum a majority.

Quick not it is not Squiggs. It is starseed. Pika doesn't give extra votes.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Quick not it is not Squiggs. It is starseed. Pika doesn't give extra votes.

Pika meant the following:

Quick note it is not Squiggs. It is starseed. Pika doesn't give extra votes.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Hasn’t Voted (1): Timbo

Voted:
dissentowner (4): GirlySports, Hockeyguy15, Aeneas
Oling_Roachinen (4): squiggs96, GGG, Puxlut, starseed
squiggs96 (2): Oling_Roachinen, Rathji
Puxlut (1):
starseed (1): dissentowner
GirlySports (1): Drury18

(Rathji, you didn't unvote so your vote did not count)

This really is a weird vote.

Rathji had his long post and seemed pretty sure of voting for Diss, but now he isn't.

Girly and Aeneas are on my scum list and currently I am sitting with a vote on Diss with just them...Sketchy

Puxlut and starseed jumped on the Oling train pretty easily despite giving a vote to Diss.

Oling voting for Squiggs and Squiggs voting for Oling. Trying to distance themselves?

Diss pulls a 180 and now believes Rathji is town, coming to the conclusion that Rathji's power is town. I believe earlier he said we shouldn't be looking at powers to figure out alignment, didn't he?

[Oling_Roachinen]

GGG, we're very possibly in a lynch or lose scenario with all these mystery powers and votes and invites. I want to address 3 things:

1) The Squiggs96 vote. I was never given a chance to prove this. From the beginning, for whatever reason, you've said if Squiggs96 reveals town then I am a top suspect. Yet this will be my third time pushing for Squiggs96. I pushed for him the first day until Puxlut voted for RatherDashing and the GP_Matt thing happened. I pushed for him when it was against hmmhmmcamo and if Starseed wouldn't have flip-flopped we might have killed Squiggs96 that day. And I was pushing for him when it was against Dissentowner. I'm not afraid of his reveal. I think he's mafia. If I'm mafia, I wouldn't have wanted for him to reveal because then I would become a target.

2. You thought I pushed for you because of Formulate saying he went for you. I never did. I went for you because you and Squiggs96 took him as the serial killer right away. Only mafia should have known he was serial killer. Then you threw pretty much every name under the bus. But at no point was my vote because Formulate tried to kill you on the first day...allegedly.

3. My tracking power now. It's my ability. I've proved it. Timbo on Night 2, as backed up by Aeneas, used his power on me and got the Drury18 result. I don't trust either of them exactly, but it looks like they are telling the truth about this. Again, I can't prove I'm not mafia but I don't see why you are doubting my power.


Wood wanted Squiggs96 killed by the Rathji, Wood wanted us to look at the 4 unknown.

Do me a favour, take a look back at his posts. If you still think I'm the better suspect well that's fine. He laid low, he only talked when someone mentioned his name, he revealed when he had 2 votes for him for some reson, he called ECF a liar when the poison didn't work on you, he didn't use the doctor on the doctor, when the doctor died, he used the poison not working on you as part of his reason for going after you.

And again, his power is to stop the roleblocker. Zelda, poor ol' hmmhmmcamo who I defended, was the roleblocker. He was town! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, but the guy admits his power is a complete counter to a townie's ability and no one addresses this.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

And again, his power is to stop the roleblocker. Zelda, poor ol' hmmhmmcamo who I defended, was the roleblocker. He was town! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, but the guy admits his power is a complete counter to a townie's ability and no one addresses this.

He has a pretty solid point here.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Oh yeah, there's also the "Contrived Deceit" stuff. It's obvious who is making the first posts each day.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

There's a pretty damning post here with what we know now:

He'd be willing to switch his vote from one townie, our doctor, to another, if the first townie uses a power to kill another townie. And when that power doesn't work, he uses it as an excuse to try and have us lynch our doctor.

I was thinking of this on the way into work, and you are either trying to deceive everyone, or you misinterpreted what I said. At the time, my vote was on GP_Matt. Here is Pika's proof:

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Vote Count:

With 19 alive, it takes 10 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 7 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (6): Drury18, Baxter Renegade, Delgar, Wood, formulate, Puxlut

Voted:
GP_Matt (7): GirlySports, East Coast Flame, Oling_Roachinen, squiggs96, dissentowner, hmmhmmcamo
hmmhmmcamo (6): Rathji, starseed, Timbo, Hockeyguy15, mrkajz44, GP_Matt
GirlySports (1): GGG

The deadline is Wednesday, October 8th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

I said I'd be willing to move my vote from GP to hmmhmmcamo (MY VOTE WAS NOT ON ECF). We also didn't know ECF was the doctor at this point. Pika stated he'd switch the vote because I think at this point GP said he was unlynchable. Since we thought ECF's night kill action was real at the time, I wanted him to use it on GP. This was the only way I thought GP could die. Pika would use his thundershock to ensure that ECF's night kill would go through, ensuring GP would die. At the time, GP_Matt was pika's #1 mafia suspect, which was posted one post of mine before the one where I said I'd switch my vote. At the time the only way I was willing to move my vote off of my #1 suspect, was if he died. A few of pika's posts after this were on the same subject.

At the time, none of knew who was town and who wasn't. You were one of the ones voting for GP_Matt at that time as well. Pika's really not sure what you were trying to get at here.

While looking into this I found some fun posts by delgar shortly after the posts you brought up:

Originally Posted by Delgar

One of the reasons I was surprised to find Oling on so many "town" lists. His "chasing" of people is quickly debunkable.

Originally Posted by Delgar

Oling uses strawman arguments.... sets up the argument in his favour without giving the full effect of the facts... he did it to me, nobody else followed him... he does it to you... some people follow him.

He's big on the dropping the hammer argument, to the point that I think he's overplaying it... maybe he knows lots of the town jumped in late and supported the hammer? I still think it was a fine decision.

He's not the target this time, but I'm really shocked so many think he's town... I'm not sure with him in particular.

Originally Posted by Delgar

My only response is Oling sticks to it again, deliberately concealing the rest of the story to make an argument. If he is town, he is hurting the group.

Originally Posted by Delgar

I did. You ignore it in your constant attacks on me. That's bad town at best.

Originally Posted by Delgar

So.... I'm going to stop responding to Oling and perhaps he should me. His suspicions of me are well documented and my more recent suspicions of his are as well. All that's happening is the thread is getting crowded with us bickering, which doesn't help the town.

PS Oling -- nothing personal on my attacks. I re-read them and had I time to think about them more would not have posted as such. But I'm still starting to think you could be scum. Voting history is going to be the story of this game.

Oling has done this before, so Pika's not surprised.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Not saying it's not. But GGG is, for some reason, not believing I have the ability and therefore my mafia friends are giving me the results.

My power is tracking, Timbo can confirm.

Thanks for clarifying. You would have to be godfather plus tracking ability for you to be scum. I had forgotten that Timbo has validated your claim of tracker. This means its not your scum buddy feeding you info.

Both Timbo and you are very unlikely to both be scum.

[Hockeyguy15]

Squiggs, that quote from Mazrim you did was post #1156, and the doctor reveal was on post #1004. We did know ECF was the doctor at that point.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Alright, well it seems I am not long for this game so if I am going to die, let my death not be in vain. So here we go:

A) I am the doctor and I am on the side of lite.
B) The gift I recieved when I joined the eternals was a one shot night kill.

By revealing this, I want to encourage the light to not waste a lynch on me and make the mafia kill me at night. Let me try and save someone tonight and let me use the kill before it goes to waste.

If you guys don't believe me and use the hammer, here are my final thoughts before you drop the hammer:
-everything I have said about the group of eternals has been true. The group is neutral - not good or evil. I dont think the group is affecting the end game - the main battle is light vs. dark, stop focusuing on the groups, focus on beating scum! The group has a leader, I dont know if that is a person in the game or outside of the game. I believe the leader does not know the affiliation of people in the game so I believe the group will be made up of scum and town. The group that starseed is in is different than the group that GP and I are in. I dont know what that means. I had no contact with Matt, and I dont know if the gift he recieved was the same that I did.

And my final thought - the three people on my suspicuous list are GP_Matt, Girlysports and GGG. Not much to go on, but I just think the three of them are shady.

If you choose to hammer me, then so be it. Refer back to this post for the next day

Here is the doctor reveal.

[Hockeyguy15]

Unvote.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

GGG, we're very possibly in a lynch or lose scenario with all these mystery powers and votes and invites. I want to address 3 things:

1) The Squiggs96 vote. I was never given a chance to prove this. From the beginning, for whatever reason, you've said if Squiggs96 reveals town then I am a top suspect. Yet this will be my third time pushing for Squiggs96. I pushed for him the first day until Puxlut voted for RatherDashing and the GP_Matt thing happened. I pushed for him when it was against hmmhmmcamo and if Starseed wouldn't have flip-flopped we might have killed Squiggs96 that day. And I was pushing for him when it was against Dissentowner. I'm not afraid of his reveal. I think he's mafia. If I'm mafia, I wouldn't have wanted for him to reveal because then I would become a target.

2. You thought I pushed for you because of Formulate saying he went for you. I never did. I went for you because you and Squiggs96 took him as the serial killer right away. Only mafia should have known he was serial killer. Then you threw pretty much every name under the bus. But at no point was my vote because Formulate tried to kill you on the first day...allegedly.

3. My tracking power now. It's my ability. I've proved it. Timbo on Night 2, as backed up by Aeneas, used his power on me and got the Drury18 result. I don't trust either of them exactly, but it looks like they are telling the truth about this. Again, I can't prove I'm not mafia but I don't see why you are doubting my power.


Wood wanted Squiggs96 killed by the Rathji, Wood wanted us to look at the 4 unknown.

Do me a favour, take a look back at his posts. If you still think I'm the better suspect well that's fine. He laid low, he only talked when someone mentioned his name, he revealed when he had 2 votes for him for some reson, he called ECF a liar when the poison didn't work on you, he didn't use the doctor on the doctor, when the doctor died, he used the poison not working on you as part of his reason for going after you.

And again, his power is to stop the roleblocker. Zelda, poor ol' hmmhmmcamo who I defended, was the roleblocker. He was town! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, but the guy admits his power is a complete counter to a townie's ability and no one addresses this.

We aren't at lynch or lose yet otherwise someone would have hammered already. If there were 5 scum they would have organized a time to win the game and all vote at once. There is at least one townie amoung girly, oling, diss and squiggs and each of them have had two votes regularly and for long time periods. So we aren't at lynch or lose yet.

I like your logic that you are using here.

My biggest concern with squiggs is that Mrkajz was a deflector, essentially a super doctor, so why did his role not save our doctor. It doens't make sense. There are only two possible explanations. Mrkajz didn't use his power on ECF as he should have. (Pika didn't either) or Squiggs used his power to stop Mrkajz's

I could move to squiggs at the deadline.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Squiggs, that quote from Mazrim you did was post #1156, and the doctor reveal was on post #1004. We did know ECF was the doctor at that point.

It looks like you are correct. The rest of the post remains correct. Pika's vote was on GP at the time and was willing to move to hmmhmm if ECF used his night kill on GP.