Uniformed Soldier Shot at War Memorial in Ottawa-R.I.P. Cpl. Cirillo - Page 43 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

undercoverbrother · 10-23-2014, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jar_e

Is it confirmed that there was more than one soldier at the War Memorial?

I believe it is standard that two soldier are on duty, but am going from foggy memory.

It is two:

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Sentry duty[edit]

The other highly visible public duty of the Ceremonial Guard is sentry duty at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at the National War Memorial and Rideau Hall. The sentries are ceremonial in nature only and do not generally perform actual guard duty; however, all are trained military personnel and procedures and orders do exist for the Ceremonial Guard to adopt an armed night guard of Rideau Hall should sufficient security threat arise.
The sentries are posted daily from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. EDT, every hour on the hour. At 9 a.m. the posting corporal – generally a corporal from the junior leadership but sometimes a corporal from the ranks – marches out accompanied by the four sentries, two escorts, and a bagpiper. The corporal, sentries, and escorts are all dressed in full scarlet uniforms and carry rifles with bayonets fixed. The party marches to the Sussex Drive gate of Rideau Hall where the first two sentries are posted and have their duties read to them. The party then marches back to Rideau Hall itself where the two remaining sentries are posted and have their duties read. It should also be noted that the sentries may change more often due to weather issues; e.g. on an extremely hot day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_Guard

Burninator · 10-23-2014, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

To me though calling it a tragedy puts it in comparison to the Boston bombing or one of the multitude of mass shootings down south. It was no where near any of that in terms of casualties or fear/panic that was induced, and IMO there should be a different term that applies which recognizes how good the response from police was in preventing a true tragedy

There is no such thing. Tragedy doesn't have a threshold. One tragedy isn't diminished by another of a lesser relative impact. Otherwise the Boston bombing would be diminished by 9/11, would be diminished by 2004 tsunami, would be diminished by...

Language · 10-23-2014, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I believe it is standard that two soldier are on duty, but am going from foggy memory.

I read that the other solider was standing guard with Cpl. Cirillo. Of course, being unarmed, there really isn't much of anything he could have done.

I can only imagine what is running through his mind.

GirlySports · 10-23-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It's fairly remarkable - and commendable - that CNN managed to cover Vickers' entry into the House with a proper level of solemnness. And yeah, that was a... slightly emotional re-opening of Parliament. Can't imagine what was going through his mind returning one day later to that ovation.

Except when the speaker started speaking french it was a red flag for the network, let's get out of here, another second of this people will change the channel! They must know what everything in french will be repeated in English.

Dummies.

Thor · 10-23-2014, 09:33 AM

Man arrested crossing yellow line when the PM was laying a wreath.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...eath-1.2810121

undercoverbrother · 10-23-2014, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Language

I did hear the other day that the other solider was standing guard with Cpl. Cirillo. Of course, being unarmed, there really isn't much of anything he could have done.

I can only imagine what is running through his mind.

There is nothing he could have done.

But experience tells me that it doesn't change what goes through a soldier's head.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-23-2014, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

Ok I don't get this one....Canada is the moose and America is the eagle, got it. America is carrying us because we are hurt? How are they doing that exactly? Seems like Canadians are doing a damn good job right now helping other Canadians. Maybe I am reading too much into it but it seems to me that this artist is needlesly injecting 'Merica into this. I get that it's suppose to be a supportive comic...but it should really be Canadians carrying the injured moose. Ahh, I am probably being too butthurt over this...carry on.

Yeah, I stopped myself from posting something similar just because I didn't want to take away from the actual discussion but I'm not a fan of that picture. I understand and appreciate the sentiment, I just don't think this is the proper situation for it. It was Canadians who came together to support one another in this situation. It was Canadian heroes who emerged, Canadians like Vickers, those who tried to perform CPR, the police and other first responders. America, while I can appreciate that we're in their thoughts, didn't carry Canada through this situation.

Resolute 14 · 10-23-2014, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

There is nothing he could have done.

But experience tells me that it doesn't change what goes through a soldier's head.

Survivor's guilt. I think a lot of people who were there are going to be experiencing a form of it.

-TC- · 10-23-2014, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

Ok I don't get this one....Canada is the moose and America is the eagle, got it. America is carrying us because we are hurt? How are they doing that exactly? Seems like Canadians are doing a damn good job right now helping other Canadians. Maybe I am reading too much into it but it seems to me that this artist is needlesly injecting 'Merica into this. I get that it's suppose to be a supportive comic...but it should really be Canadians carrying the injured moose. Ahh, I am probably being too butthurt over this...carry on.

I think what the artist is trying to say is that we are Brothers In Arms, and support each other.

scottish_flame · 10-23-2014, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Thor

Man arrested crossing yellow line when the PM was laying a wreath.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...eath-1.2810121

What an idiot. Probably just an attention seeker

Burninator · 10-23-2014, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jar_e

Is it confirmed that there was more than one soldier at the War Memorial?

I noticed in one of the pictures of him standing guard at the memorial he is holding a green rifle. In the picture of him receiving cpr there is two green rifles on the steps. Doesn't really answer your question though...just something I observed.

undercoverbrother · 10-23-2014, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Survivor's guilt. I think a lot of people who were there are going to be experiencing a form of it.

Agreed, but it will be different for that individual.

Trust me.

Sad.

undercoverbrother · 10-23-2014, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

I noticed in one of the pictures of him standing guard at the memorial he is holding a green rifle. In the picture of him receiving cpr there is two green rifles on the steps. Doesn't really answer your question though...just something I observed.

Two Soldiers stand guard.

Resolute 14 · 10-23-2014, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Agreed, but it will be different for that individual.

Trust me.

Sad.

Definitely. Surviving what basically amounted to a 50/50 random chance killing would be disconcerting for anyone. Especially given how helpless he will have felt.

Bunk · 10-23-2014, 09:53 AM

Yeah, this one got me. Very powerful.

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Nehkara · 10-23-2014, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

Ok I don't get this one....Canada is the moose and America is the eagle, got it. America is carrying us because we are hurt? How are they doing that exactly? Seems like Canadians are doing a damn good job right now helping other Canadians. Maybe I am reading too much into it but it seems to me that this artist is needlesly injecting 'Merica into this. I get that it's suppose to be a supportive comic...but it should really be Canadians carrying the injured moose. Ahh, I am probably being too butthurt over this...carry on.

Just someone who wanted to show some support man... that's it.

undercoverbrother · 10-23-2014, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Nehkara

Just someone who wanted to show some support man... that's it.

Thanks are gone, so thanks.

I really struggle with people that pass judgement on how someone shows their support.

CaptainCrunch · 10-23-2014, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

Ok I don't get this one....Canada is the moose and America is the eagle, got it. America is carrying us because we are hurt? How are they doing that exactly? Seems like Canadians are doing a damn good job right now helping other Canadians. Maybe I am reading too much into it but it seems to me that this artist is needlesly injecting 'Merica into this. I get that it's suppose to be a supportive comic...but it should really be Canadians carrying the injured moose. Ahh, I am probably being too butthurt over this...carry on.

I don't mind a cartoon that shows that Americans are there as our friends to help us IF we need it.

Its not the best cartoon in the world, but on a day when we see a lot of countries reaching out and saying "We're your friends and we're there to help you" You merely say thank you, that means a lot and move forward.

Burninator · 10-23-2014, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Two Soldiers stand guard.

Out of curiosity do you know if they are working rifles with ammunition?

undercoverbrother · 10-23-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

Out of curiosity do you know if they are working rifles with ammunition?

I never had a loaded rifle on any of the public parades I did in Canada.

Edit: in fact I guarantee they weren't loaded. Everytime I carried a loaded weapon in Canada we were told to keep it out of sight, lest it scare the populace.

I am not sure if they had ceremonial weapons or if they were just unloaded weapons.

If I was a betting man I would say that the weapons they used were specific to the purpose they served, all show.