Uniformed Soldier Shot at War Memorial in Ottawa-R.I.P. Cpl. Cirillo

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

And Harpers very public support of Israel plays no part in that?

What has Israel got to do with it.?

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

They weren't able to stop this one, and I personally think these attempt will increase as long as we have our current foreign policies.

Hardly, when ISIS will behead anyone who is not a Muslim and even those that are, I don't think it has anything to do with foreign policy so much as them being crazy.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

And Harpers very public support of Israel plays no part in that?

Not in this case, ISIL is pretty much ignoring the whole Israel question right now.

And because Radical Groups say we shouldn't support Israel we should what? Kowtow and stop?

[Grimbl420]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

What has Israel got to do with it.?

I wonder what ISIS' thoughts about Israel are.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

And Harpers very public support of Israel plays no part in that?

Wrong radical group .

[Grimbl420]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Not in this case, ISIL is pretty much ignoring the whole Israel question right now.

And because Radical Groups say we shouldn't support Israel we should what? Kowtow and stop?

Radical groups like the UN?

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

I wonder what ISIS' thoughts about Israel are.

Your grasping at straws my friend. Iseral has nothing to do with this.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Harper's speech was what it was. A little tougher then Mulcair's but that's to be expected. The key take away is the discussion about strengthening legislature to improve security. Its also important to note that he linked the events of this week together and didn't retreat from calling them Terrorist acts.

I actually liked Mulcair's speech as well. I think he was calm, he claimed solidarity with the Prime Minister. He didn't want to use the term terrorist, which is interesting. His last line was very well scripted.

I didn't expect anything more then vague and brief remarks.

Will be interested to see what Trudeau does.

I do agree with an earlier post, Canada is now at war.

Very encouraging that we have solidarity in Parliament on this event. This is not a time for partisanship, it's a time for reasonable thought. I agree that both speeches were very similar, with a slightly more tough tone provided in Harper's speech.

Interesting that people have took Harper's speech as it's proof that it was ISIS that was a part of this attack. He talked about how the hit and run was, but for today's event, "In the days to come, we will learn more about the terrorist & the acquaintances he may have had."

Which I take as the government does not know the motive yet, at least doesn't know enough to make conclusions. Good that they are taking their time to ensure they know what happened before they truly condemn one way or the other.

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

I wonder what ISIS' thoughts about Israel are.

Oh so let's back down to Isis right.

I don't know is just me. But it seems like you think Canada somewhat deserves to be attacked because of the stance they made against terrorism

[Grimbl420]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

Oh so let's back down to Isis right.

I don't know is just me. But it seems like you think Canada somewhat deserves to be attacked because of the stance they made against terrorism

No, we don't deserve to be attacked, but we did make the target on our back a lot bigger.

[Arya Stark]

Shooting someone in the back....how brave. RIP to the soldier and his loved ones.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

No, we don't deserve to be attacked, but we did make the target on our back a lot bigger.

There's no confirmation He was ISiL.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

And Harpers very public support of Israel plays no part in that?

Not that this has anything to do with the events today, but it should be said that Canada's policies towards Israel has not changed since 1946-47. Blame King or St. Laurent if you want to blame someone for our policies towards Israel.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

ISIS was making threats against this country before Canada signed up for the mission.

They were coming no matter what our foreign policy is.

You've had great insight into the ISIS issue in another thread CC. I've enjoyed reading your posts on the subject, and the difficulty in addressing the threat, particularly where individual actors are concerned.

A question I'd like to pose to you is where you draw the line (or whether you draw a line at all) between: (1) a person who sees some appeal in ISIS, learns about them and believes in their cause, gets in touch with them, gets direction from them, and conducts an attack like today's; and (2) a person with mental health issues and a propensity for violent or anti-government thinking who latches onto ISIS-inspired ideology as a basis for carrying out an attack like today's, but without a real understanding or genuine attachment to the ideology itself.

Obviously person 1 is what you'd think of as your classic single-cell or lone-wolf terrorist; while person 2 might be your run-of-the-mill survivalist-paranoiac-freeman-on-the-land type who doesn't really belong to or even fully understand the ideology he's serving.

Is one a terrorist and the other not? Are they both terrorists? Does it matter?

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by Grimbl420

No, we don't deserve to be attacked, but we did make the target on our back a lot bigger.

Still blaming Canada.

[Acey]

Handheld metal detectors and patdowns at Rexall for Capitals/Oilers.

[Grimbl420]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

Still blaming Canada.

Not blaming. I'm just not that surprised it happened.

Throwing sticks on the fire, won't help put it out.

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by Acey

Handheld metal detectors and patdowns at Rexall for Capitals/Oilers.

We will see a lot more of this type of stuff in the future

[browna]

As mentioned, really odd (and not sure we'll ever know) how the guy waltzed within a door of caucus meetings deep into the Centre block.

He strolled past McIver (I assume after shooting the solider) through a big open square/parking lot structure, after he drove his car as close as he did, so its not as if he tried to sneak in.

Is there not camera security around our Parliament that could've seen a guy carrying a shotgun, coming? Cameras at the War Memorial may have also helped prevent another shootout (sadly, not the tragic and senseless loss of life).

Not to turn this into a big brother issue, but on Parliament Hill, Federal Buldings and monuments, there should be absolutely full camera scrutiny 24.7...really, all of downtown Ottawa in my opinion.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Acey

Handheld metal detectors and patdowns at Rexall for Capitals/Oilers.

Got an email from the Flames about 30 mins ago, saying there would be longer delays in entering the Dome tomorrow for the Flames game.