CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Wood

So in response to reason 3, are the groups against the town, or only against each other?

This is Pure speculation on my part with no new info.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Survivor

The mafia wiki has the survivor so I think it is that with a twist.

Since the victory conditions of the joiners don't change I can't see Mazrim just having the game end when one group gets a majority while people are around to vote out the leader still. I think though that speculation on cults is a waste of time. We have no new info from yesterday at all.

[Drury18]

Or perhaps GGG, could you explain why when you had your vote on Squiggs, you were more then happy to set up the hammer time and Twilight time for hmmhmmcamo's death? You couldn't wait to get him killed and flipped and onto the next day, but your vote sat with Squiggs at that time.

Or, you know, telling us numerous times to reject invites from the group or be lynches, then to ignore the groups and even conned the whole group of us into posting lists and then going off and joining a group?

Originally Posted by GGG

If someone rejects joining the guardians and no one joins it confirms what GP, Starseed, and ECF are saying that they chose to join.
If another guardian appears then it wouldn't have been voluntary and then it's more likely that it's a cult and their victory conditions have changed. We just need to be clear and convincing that anyone who joins gets lynched next.

Originally Posted by GGG

2/4 all three have said it was voluntary to join and could refuse.
Your other scenarios don't really make sense to me. A person is asked to join, they don't, they report in tomorrow with what happened. This provides us nothing in terms of mafia/town relations but is an anti cult move.
So far we have
Wood
GGG
Committed to lynching anyone who joins a group. Does anyone else want to commit to this.

And then your sudden change of heart to completely remove all suspicions from the groups:

Originally Posted by GGG

That should have said I am unsure with the lynch joiners philosophy now that there is a consequence.

Originally Posted by GGG

So ECF as the second eternal and third group joiner may be mafia, now that there is some agreement it isn't alignment based it seems like a good place to hide. I went to check ECFs post count thinking he would be one of the low counts as I really don't remember anything he said this game standing out. It turns out he was the 4th highest count. Posting and saying nothing is a mafia trademark. So I decided to go through his posts from the first day. One thing I think we should do is not lynch because someone is in the cult. We can't win if it is a normal cult. Anyone we lynch needs to appear as scum.

Originally Posted by GGG

I think we need everyone to post there top 3 town reads and top 3 scum reads. Even if this doesn't net us scum it creates a huge trail to look back on as people flip. It should also get us out of the eternals/guardians stuff. I will compose mine and post them and would like others to follow suit.

[Drury18]

For those in the twlight thread and those who missed it, did the MOT's not clearly say to stop getting lead around? We are letting the scum lead us around.

Stop to think for a moment whose done the most leading/directing in this game to the end of Day 2? Whose coordinated hammer times, whose asked to post lists of scum/town, whose changed voting directions, whose taken the focus off of suspects, whose told us to hold off on the hammer to let people reveal, who took the focus off of groups, who ordered GP_Matt's death?

And how many dead townies do we now have as a result of that person "leading" us?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Are you okay with the fact your ordered GP_Matt's death and instructed our Vigilante to reveal himself? Especially when GP_Matt was going to lynch himself and would have saved our Vigilante kill for someone who a) wasn't town and b) hadn't given up already?

Yes,

If Matt was a 1 shot lynchproof mafia member as a result of the eternals we needed to kill him now. The risk of having a 2 kill mafia was to great. If he lynches himself the mob got a free kill.

If he was mafia it would take two town kills to kill him. No one disagreed with my logic at the time.

[Drury18]

Oh and I forgot the most important part of those posts

vote: GGG

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GGG

My thought is two townies are the ones distributing the powers. Therefore it's on the town not to screw up. They also might overlap with the MOTs. I am still suspicious that the leaders have a different win condition but I for one will accept the next offer from either group.

This post comes after most of the ones you linked where I state that I would accept the next offer from either group.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Oh and I forgot the most important part of those posts

vote: GGG

Well I am likely poisoned, confirm with ECF and infinitely lynchproof so voting for me is a terrible waste of your vote. Any discussion about me is also likely a waste of time.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Wood

I posted this on day 2, but I'm suspicious of girly and starseed together. I wasn't as suspicious of starseed as I was girly, but he's shot way up the list now after the MOT chat and his targeting of delgar

Could you provide a recap of the MOT chat for those who missed it?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Oh and I forgot the most important part of those posts

vote: GGG

Are you sure? what if he's lynchproof? Or do you think (similar to how you thought with me) that telling people to kill Matt due him him having one lynchproff and while he was lynchproofed the whole time is too convenient?

I have the biggest beef with GGG because I acted on his advice to not accept an invite from the Guardians to see what would happen and now he goes and joins them.

I would vote for him as well, but the lynchproof claim scares me. This also puts us in a bad situation, yet another reveal that the mafia now knows.

[GGG]

Very similar, posted a list of 3 suspicions (I was on it), again with no extra info.
Someone changed their name to secret who is a watcher or tracker who investigated me on night 1 which said I didn't do any night actions.

The one big piece of news was we get to find out what faction killed devo tomorrow. And some weird comments about the portals being a way to talk to the dead.

[Drury18]

I do know I'm missing information and a couple of posts and hope that someone can fill in these blanks. My apologies for my own stupid technical difficulties when copying the portal chat. As full disclosure, I do know one of my own posts were one that did not copy properly. I believe the content of that post was telling mrkajz that noticing the stars was a good call. As we had a number of people in the portal this time, I'm sure the blanks can be filled in.

Posters Present:

MOT1
MOT2
Wood
mrkajz
Timbo
starseed
HG15
Drury18
Rathji
GGG
ggg
Secret 2 ggg
Secret
Unknown
Puxlut

HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT THE MOT'S HAD TO SAY:

MOT #1:

Submit the following names for investigation. They do not know affiliation or have special information. Names submitted are: GGG, GirlySports, Delgar

Someone needs to make a note of how to get into portal at end of day

Wishes they could say "you guys" haven't been crap (not the exact word...rhymed with "it"), but that's what we are

Mafia is playing us like a fiddle, leading us around. Dig in, start hunting. Down 5 town, could be 7 by end of Day 2. Potentially 5 mafia vs 10 town (assumed 5 mafia by MOT1). Vote with gut and smart play. Don't give up like hmmhmmcamo.

GGG has not done anything to make MOT's believe he is town. Suspicion has not increased from last time on the list, list is not in any order (This was in response to Drury18's question that GGG has been on the list twice, has anything increased suspicion)

MOT's have a vote that they can set during the night for the next day. They targeted Devo on night one, received nothing saying it was blocked or redirected.

They have no information on the guardians or eternals

They have voted squiggs but knew that hmmhmmcamo would flip town

MOT#2:

If the portal is opened 3 times, they can reveal the faction that killed Bizaro or Devo. Our choice. (GGG and mrkajz both selected Devo)

We will know which faction killed devo

Portal may be a way for the dead to communicate beyond the grave. Investigate.


TRANSCRIPT OF CONVERSATION (Paraphrased (not direct copy) and unfortunately I missed the last little bit of the conversation as I hit refresh and the page was gone. I may also have missed a bit in the middle as I copied and pasted the conversation into word instead of screenshots and something flubbed up. I am transcribing what I have and hoping someone can help fill in the blanks. With many posters present, this shouldn't be an issue)

(Transcript below notes when the different versions of GGG were used. There were 3 people with similar names)


MOT1: We have opened portal again. We submit GGG, GirlySports and Delgar as names to be investigated

MOT 1: You guys are crap (again, the word that rhymes it "it")

MOT 2: Repeats MOT1's message of submitting names of GGG, GirlySports and Delgar to be investigated

Drury18: GGG has been on your list twice, what has increased your suspicion of him

mrkajz: More info needed from MOT's. Who are you? Why those 3 names?

MOT1: Someone should note where the portal link is on Mazrim end of day posts

MOT2: If portal opens 3 times, they can reveal they can reveal the faction that killed Bizaro or Devo. We (the posters) can decide which one we want answers for.

Unknown: Believes who drove the vote today was obvious. Delgar is top of their list.

MOT1: GGG has not done anything to prove town alignment. Suspicion has not increased. List is in no order. They are offering names for targets to put pressure on.

Starseed: People listed by MOT's all voted Squiggs

HockeyGuy15: Missed last Twilight. Asks if MOT's are sending out the invites for Eternals or Guardians

Delgar: Asks MOT's what they know of factions

Timbo: Thinks GGG showing up twice on the list is worth investigating

Drury18: Asks why the MOT's are calling us #### when they said they were aligned with the light. Asks what the MOT's have done to prevent town deaths

mrkajz: Asks if at the end of Day 3 we can find out who killed devo or bizzaro. Asks if this means that it wasn't two mafia kills

Secret: Says he investigated GGG and he did nothing

MOT1: Says they have a vote they can set at night for the next day. They targeted

devo22, received no notification of a block or redirect

GGG (this is how it appeared on screen): Would like devo to be the revealed death information as he believes that was the odder killer. Feels Bizaro's kill was done by mafia to incriminate those who did or did not vote.

Rathji: Asks what the Eternals or Guardians are. Should we fear either or both.

MOT1: They have no information on Guardians or Eternals

Secret 2 ggg (this is how it appeared on screen): Wants to point out that secret could be telling the truth or lying as anyone can post anything under any name

mrkajz: Would like info on devo's death

Secret: Asks if MOT's are observers or players in the game

Puxlut: Faction?

mrkajz: Says that secret could be the cop giving us information

(information did not copy properly here. I have no accurate notes to transcribe from. I believe 2-3 posts were made during this time)

MOT2: We will know what faction killed devo

MOT 1: They may have voted Squiggs, but they know the hmmhmmcamo would flip town

ggg (this is how it appeared on screen): Could be cop or could be mafia trying to misdirect. Need to take what is said here and evaluate if can be trusted.

Rathji: Asks how did they know he (hmmhmmcamo) would flip town

HockeyGuy15: Asks about vote set at night for next day

mrkajz: Asks why some posters in the thread have stars next to their name

Wood: Secret does not help. GGG could not have a night power or could be scum but not the one who ordered the death.

MOT1: Assume the mafia would know hmmhmmcamo is town

MOT2: Portals may be a way for the dead to communicate to the living after death. Investigate

starseed: Asks about what their take on Oiling vs Delgar is

Wood: Starseed and Timbo have stars next to name, as do MOT 1 and 2

Timbo: Asks if there are less then 4 mafia

mrkajz: Was in previous chat and did not notice stars before

(information did not copy properly here. I have no accurate notes to transcribe from. I believe 2-3 posts were made during this time)

Wood: This is same site that they used in previous games for chat and dead players/observers

Drury18: Was also in portal chat last time it opened and does not have star next to name

Mazrim: Anyone who previously posted in QuickTopic will have a star, don't overthink it

MOT2: Portal is about to close

(This was the last post I saw before the portal closed)

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

My plan for my lynchproof power was to stay alive into the game then declare myself lynchproof at which time I could be proved a townie with a lynch or people would believe me. I did not consider having to avoid a night kill from our own side.

Not sure if I played it right or if it just added confusion.

Hold up. GGG, I've thought you were town since the beginning but this doesn't quite make sense to me.

You say we can't waste a lynch on GP_Matt as it would give the mafia an 'extra' night or whatever. Which results in Wood wasting our vig kill on a (now) known townie. I don't disagree with that logic there, I see a lot of merit in what you were saying.

But now you say it was also your plan to be lynched to prove you were town? Isn't that what you tried to stop GP_Matt from doing? That's completely contradictory from where I'm standing.

This seems almost too convenient and possibly set up by the mafia. Make a post the day before saying how we can't waste a lynch on a lynchproof player, only to declare being lynchproof the next day while declaring you are poisoned without even waiting for ECF confirm it? How do you know he didn't protect you? I would have...

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Are you sure? what if he's lynchproof? Or do you think (similar to how you thought with me) that telling people to kill Matt due him him having one lynchproff and while he was lynchproofed the whole time is too convenient?

I have the biggest beef with GGG because I acted on his advice to not accept an invite from the Guardians to see what would happen and now he goes and joins them.

I would vote for him as well, but the lynchproof claim scares me. This also puts us in a bad situation, yet another reveal that the mafia now knows.

If I had gotten the invite when you did I would have posted it and let the town decide. I think at that time we hadn't flipped anyone from a group yet, there was panic going on. After we flipped matt I posted as can be seen above that I would be accepting the next invite. We confirmed conclusively that alignment didn't change.

Given the time I got the invite and when it needed to be accepted I could not consult with the town.

Anyway don't worry about my lynchproof once ECF has confirmed he poisoned me you don't have to worry about it.

I didn't take joining lightly and felt being able to track someone was worth the interrogation I would be getting today. Sorry girly I can see how you particularly would be pissed at me.

Rathji. When your action was redirected to GP Matt did it specifically say it was redirected? With mine I asked to track puxlut and it returned with info on ECF. It seems like two different things happened here.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Are you sure? what if he's lynchproof? Or do you think (similar to how you thought with me) that telling people to kill Matt due him him having one lynchproff and while he was lynchproofed the whole time is too convenient?

Hold up, I post a number of different reasons why I no longer trust him (and haven't since Day 1 in case you missed that part too) and you come up with that theory as why I voted for him?

Wow...

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Hold up, I post a number of different reasons why I no longer trust him (and haven't since Day 1 in case you missed that part too) and you come up with that theory as why I voted for him?

Wow...

I read all that. I was just asking an additional question.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Hold up. GGG, I've thought you were town since the beginning but this doesn't quite make sense to me.

You say we can't waste a lynch on GP_Matt as it would give the mafia an 'extra' night or whatever. Which results in Wood wasting our vig kill on a (now) known townie. I don't disagree with that logic there, I see a lot of merit in what you were saying.

But now you say it was also your plan to be lynched to prove you were town? Isn't that what you tried to stop GP_Matt from doing? That's completely contradictory from where I'm standing.

This seems almost too convenient and possibly set up by the mafia. Make a post the day before saying how we can't waste a lynch on a lynchproof player, only to declare being lynchproof the next day while declaring you are poisoned without even waiting for ECF confirm it? How do you know he didn't protect you? I would have...

On day 1 that was my plan. It made sense then without really thinking it through. Once GP Matt declared lynchproof and I went through the math I came to the conclusion that lynching and the mafia killing an almost sure townie in exchange for a known townie was not a net benefit. I also realized that there was no way to prove myself town and that I would be poisoned by ECF.

Lynchproof is a crappy ability for a townie.

Based on the other player in the report I am poisoned and the other player was protected.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Initial thoughts on this is that we wait for ECF to confirm who he used the poison on. If it's GGG and he doesn't die tonight, we got an easy vote tomorrow.

Like the GP_Matt logic, I don't know if we can afford to waste a vote on a lynchproof player (but how often will we have to hear this excuse now?) especially one who will possibly die anyways in the night...

[GGG]

What's funny about the mots saying we have played like crap is that while true they are no better. 2/3 townies at least on each day have been wrong.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GGG

What's funny about the mots saying we have played like crap is that while true they are no better. 2/3 townies at least on each day have been wrong.

How do we know the MOT's are on our side?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by formulate

Is this possible? Reading mafiawiki, it states doctors may not self-save, although mentions this is not always the case. ECF were you given clarification on this?

I keep coming back to this post.

I know with the Delgar reveal I don't have the best track record (also sorry Delgar) but this seems like formulate was reading about the doctor to try and plan the best way to handle him. He straight up asks if the doctor can save himself, why would he need clarification on this if he wasn't trying to figure out the best way to approach the night and ECF?

FALCON PUNCH!
Vote: formulate