[Signing] Friedman - Flames to sign Diaz - 1 year, $700k

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You were talking about a #7 Dman.

Maybe you're expectations have gotten a little high for that role

My expectations that the #7 Dman be someone to add defensive depth instead of puck moving depth?

Why is defensively responsible a higher expectation than a puck mover?

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by Mike F

My expectations that the #7 Dman be someone to add defensive depth instead of puck moving depth?

Why is defensively responsible a higher expectation than a puck mover?

Hard for a #7 Dman to do anything when they are sitting in the press box.

Just because Diaz is staying up as the number 7 guy doesn't mean other players wont be called up and played if injuries occur.

[trackercowe]

Well at least our contingent of Swiss players is still filled after Berra left last season. I was worried once Sven was sent down, but we've made the grade once again this year.

[Falclore]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

I like the term of the contract. This time next year we can move on from this junk.

Junk? As a 7th D-man on a rebuild, it is a good move. If they can get him playing well, maybe we can turn him into a pick at the draft deadline and bring up a younger D-man for late year experience.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I watched 3 pre season games in which Diaz played. I thought he looked pretty good in two of them. And not so good in the other.

But honestly, I think I prefer him over Wideman. I'm hoping Wideman gets bumped out by someone this season. Diaz, Sieloff or Wotherspoon.

He's one of the guys on the team that I think does not earn his paycheck. I can not believe we're paying him $5.25 million for the next 3 seasons.

Jones is the other.

you are?

[AcGold]

Another low risk move. Biggest upside is that he replaces Wideman which he very well could. Wideman is physically gifted and his huge weakness is terrible decisions. Pinches at the wrong time, goes for poorly timed hipchecks that too frequently result in goals against and makes bad passes. I would like to see Diaz replace Wideman as Diaz seems like he has much more room to improve because he makes fewer ill timed decisions that put us in terrible situations. Teach him to understand how the suicide pass works and how to avoid doing it and he'll be better than Wideman overnight. Trade Wideman if a team loses their #6 dman, win win.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Well at least our contingent of Swiss players is still filled after Berra left last season. I was worried once Sven was sent down, but we've made the grade once again this year.

Hiller wasn't good enough for you?

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by getbak

Hiller wasn't good enough for you?

Swiss players without severe cases of vertigo then...

[Dajazz]

Originally Posted by Mike F

mostly good post and then this ... I wouldn't say his defensive game is a strength.

I almost couldnt resist a "lol wut" meme. Brodie is bordering elite defensively in mine and many hockey fans (as well as media & analytics)
opinion.

His offense is what is missing, but it'll come, i don't think we are watching the same brodie.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

I almost couldnt resist a "lol wut" meme. Brodie is bordering elite defensively in mine and many hockey fans (as well as media & analytics) opinion.

His offense is what is missing, but it'll come, i don't think we are watching the same brodie.

I follow this team as closely as anyone, and I can't remember a single person before you describing Brodie as bordering on elite defensively. In fact, for as much praise as Brodie's development has rightly earned him, I can't remember anyone describing him as bordering on elite in any aspect.

If you watch Brodie and see him on the cusp of entering Chara's echelon of defensive players, then we definitely are watching different Brodies.

[BurningSteel]

Originally Posted by Mike F

then we definitely are watching different Brodies.

Ok Carrie. I'll go tell Sol

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Mike F

I follow this team as closely as anyone, and I can't remember a single person before you describing Brodie as bordering on elite defensively. In fact, for as much praise as Brodie's development has rightly earned him, I can't remember anyone describing him as bordering on elite in any aspect.

If you watch Brodie and see him on the cusp of entering Chara's echelon of defensive players, then we definitely are watching different Brodies.

Except... he is.

TJ Brodie has one of the toughest Zone starts in the entire NHL. And when he is on the ice, the team outshoots the opposition by a significant margin. In fact his Fenwick rel% stat is in the top 15 (He's # 13) in the NHL.

Giordano is #2, and he has easier zone starts.

[FBI]

Not to make this a Brodie thread but I'm definitely glad Hartley has the smarts to keep Brodie and Gio together this year..

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Except... he is.

TJ Brodie has one of the toughest Zone starts in the entire NHL. And when he is on the ice, the team outshoots the opposition by a significant margin. In fact his Fenwick rel% stat is in the top 15 (He's # 13) in the NHL.

Giordano is #2, and he has easier zone starts.

So in your world Brodie is better than Gio?

Which is a more subjective statistic... hits or SOG or shots directed at the net?

Fenwick was invented as an expansion of +/-.... with more unreliable data..

Gio +12 Brodie 0

A goal is a goal and a shot on goal , shot directed at goal and a blocked shot is a broad based judged event that is not significant enough to be argued.

While you will see players try to get the credit for a goal correct, I have yet to see a coach or player argue for or against a SOG. A player has not ever gone to a scorers and said hey I was just dumping the puck in and you called it a SOG.... or didn't you see me get a piece of that shot... I should get credit for a blocked shot.

They never go and change the Fenwick (shots on goal) after reviewing the game tape.

[foshizzle11]

the fan 960 guys this morning were speculating that Diaz will be in the top by the end of the season, not because of injury necessarily but because of his skill set.

I hope he plays well enough that this can happen, could him and Russell together be very dangerous offensively? Both good skaters and good offensive instincts. But are they responsible enough defensively to play together? I wonder.

[foshizzle11]

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

the fan 960 guys this morning were speculating that Diaz will be in the top by the end of the season, not because of injury necessarily but because of his skill set.

I hope he plays well enough that this can happen, could him and Russell together be very dangerous offensively? Both good skaters and good offensive instincts. But are they responsible enough defensively to play together? I wonder.

IMO, Russell would be the absolutely last guy you would pair him with. I would rather see a small puck mover paired with a larger, defensive defenseman.

And a good example of that is the pairing of Russell and Engelland, which has looked fantastic so far this year.

If Diaz can crack the top 6, I would think it would be with Smid as his partner.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by kehatch

and we did get rid of Iginla once we got Begin...

The prophecy ... the prophecy ... the prophecy...

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Fenwick was invented as an expansion of +/-.... with more unreliable data..

Gio +12 Brodie 0

A goal is a goal and a shot on goal , shot directed at goal and a blocked shot is a broad based judged event that is not significant enough to be argued.

If you (of all people!) are going to criticize a stat for using unreliable data, at least try to understand the stat you are criticizing. Fenwick excludes blocked shots.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So in your world Brodie is better than Gio?

Which is a more subjective statistic... hits or SOG or shots directed at the net?

Fenwick was invented as an expansion of +/-.... with more unreliable data..

Gio +12 Brodie 0

A goal is a goal and a shot on goal , shot directed at goal and a blocked shot is a broad based judged event that is not significant enough to be argued.

While you will see players try to get the credit for a goal correct, I have yet to see a coach or player argue for or against a SOG. A player has not ever gone to a scorers and said hey I was just dumping the puck in and you called it a SOG.... or didn't you see me get a piece of that shot... I should get credit for a blocked shot.

They never go and change the Fenwick (shots on goal) after reviewing the game tape.

I can't even reply to this. It's too silly.