2014 Training Camp Cuts. UPD: Oct 5 - Baertschi, Jooris and Ortio cut

[Da_Chief]

People remember the Backlund story from last year? Most (including me) thought his time as a Flame was coming to and end and now he's an integral part of this team moving forward. I think Sven will be back soon and become a regular, this roster isn't the final roster.

[Badgers Nose]

No surprise. Pretty sure all three will get call ups.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

What's better for Baertschi's development right now? Tweening on the 3/4 lines in the NHL or getting top line minutes and boats of PP time in Abbotsford? For a player who's offense has really dried up, seasoning in the AHL is the best thing for him.

If he can't handle the adversity of getting sent down he can't handle the adversity of being a top tier pro.

Bottom line.

I don't think his comments equate to him not being able to handle adversity.

I think it would bother me more if he wasn't upset at getting cut.

[fatso]

Re: Baertschi. I do see the concern in setting Sven back by undermining his confidence in sending him down when he seems to have done all that is asked. And I definitely agree there is no singular way to handle prospects (i.e. a set period of seasoning in the AHL before the NHL).

But, on the other hand, if he's given a shot in the NHL when he isn't truly ready for it, wouldn't his lack of success there undermine his confidence more? We have to trust that coaching is adequately evaluating each player, including on their specifics, and that they're not just running guys through a program. I still think the team and Sven are a good match and very soon he'll be where they each want him to be.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I don't think his comments equate to him not being able to handle adversity.

I think it would bother me more if he wasn't upset at getting cut.

I could be wrong, but I think Tinordi was referencing the shrill panic from some of the people on this forum. There's more than a few who seem to think that the Flames are "breaking" Baertschi because they aren't coddling him.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Randy Sportak @SUNRandySportak
#Flames: Ortio understanding of situation; knows No.-3 on chart. Jooris proud how he opened eyes. Baertschi is frustrated and feels "awful"

Randy Sportak @SUNRandySportak
Baertschi: "I'm in-between being sad and just really confused.” Believes he did everything asked him since last season. #Flames

Just bumping up this post for the people getting news late as the assignment and Sven's comments spawned 8 pages of debate.

[Burke Salad]

Am I the only one who is more upset about Jooris being sent down, he is the one that should feel slighted after his terrific camp.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Burke Salad

Am I the only one who is more upset about Jooris being sent down, he is the one that should feel slighted after his terrific camp.

Jooris' comment, as reported by Sportak, about how he's proud he opened eyes is the absolute truth here. When camp opened, he was an AHL project. When camp closed, he was a final cut and somebody that will almost certainly make his NHL debut this year. His moment may not be today, but it is coming, and it will arrive far, far sooner because of the camp he had.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

People remember the Backlund story from last year? Most (including me) thought his time as a Flame was coming to and end and now he's an integral part of this team moving forward. I think Sven will be back soon and become a regular, this roster isn't the final roster.

Except the Flames made a mistake sitting Backlund in this first place. His advanced numbers were always fantastic and Hartley was being ignorant.

When he was finally given the opportunity and more than 10 minutes of ice a night, he proved he was the best forward on the team.

[devo22]

It all comes to down to his on-ice reaction now. Remember when Gaudreau was cut from the WJC team in 2011? He was pissed, but his focus immediately shifted to proving everybody wrong and subsequently lit up the league in the second half of the season. That's what Sven has to do now - suck it up, play his his heart out and prove that Treliving and Hartley have made a mistake. If he does that, he'll be back up in no time. But if he sulks again and feels sorry for himself, I'll be worried.

[Badgers Nose]

Sven has shown at times he can be a dominant offensive player. Did not see that at camp so down he goes. He will be playing with some very good players in Adi so let that motivate him to perform well and get himself a call up.

[Flames89]

I am slowly starting to sour on Sven. Whether it is his fault or fans expectations that are souring my perception of him, I don't know.
There is far too much discussion on his emotional state, his need for reassurance, and how he expects to be on the team because he was drafted high and scored some goals here.
He was average in the AHL last year. He had a good camp, but that doesn't warrant a right to a position.
Getting a roster spot is a privilege, not a right.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by devo22

^^ you can certainly not make a boatload of cash playing in Switzerland. Top players usually earn between 600k and 1m there.

Compared to what a guy gets in the AHL? Yeah, that's a boatload of money. Especially when it's tax free and you add in the ancillary benefits of limited number of games and very little travel. I don't know anyone who does not see a ten fold increase in salary as making a boatload of cash.

[Vinny01]

Kids are going to get the chance to play. Sven didn't come in and force anyone out. He was okay this preseason but not amazing. I think he is one of the first call ups. We will see a bunch of kids this year. Good on Johnny for making it out of the gate

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Flames89

I am slowly starting to sour on Sven. Whether it is his fault or fans expectations that are souring my perception of him, I don't know.
There is far too much discussion on his emotional state, his need for reassurance, and how he expects to be on the team because he was drafted high and scored some goals here.
He was average in the AHL last year. He had a good camp, but that doesn't warrant a right to a position.
Getting a roster spot is a privilege, not a right.

I completely agree, I just wish some of our vets would have that same mentality...

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by Flames89

I am slowly starting to sour on Sven. Whether it is his fault or fans expectations that are souring my perception of him, I don't know.
There is far too much discussion on his emotional state, his need for reassurance, and how he expects to be on the team because he was drafted high and scored some goals here.
He was average in the AHL last year. He had a good camp, but that doesn't warrant a right to a position.
Getting a roster spot is a privilege, not a right.

I don't think it's fair to sour on Sven at this point. Firstly, he's just a kid. He turned 22 the other day. Second, fan expectations of him were way too high after he scored 3 goals in 4 games as an emergency call up. Like I said, the guy is just a kid, and the pressure got to him.

The thing we should focus on is how much better he looked this pre-season versus last pre-season. He is in way better shape, skates stronger, and plays better defensive hockey. This effort shows where his attitude really is; he wants to get better, improve, and make this club. I wanted to see him in the NHL for this reason, but he can still learn more in the AHL. He's an exciting prospect that we can look forward to seeing as a full time NHLer if not this season, next.

[skudr248]

Question...

When is the roster finalized? Tomorrow? And do 4 more people need to be cut before?

[Ashasx]

How anyone can "sour" on Sven based on one quote is ridiculous.

[MissTeeks]

Originally Posted by skudr248

Question...

When is the roster finalized? Tomorrow? And do 4 more people need to be cut before?

5pm eastern tomorrow.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by skudr248

Question...

When is the roster finalized? Tomorrow? And do 4 more people need to be cut before?

All players that are going to be waived have to be put on waivers by 3:00 pm MST today. Tomorrow is too late.