CP Mafia 3 - Super Smash Mafia - GAME OVER - Darkness Win!

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I had the exact same concern. But, the people who unvote near the deadline would sure look very mafia-like and would likely be easier targets going forward. If Matt is indeed mafia, I don't think other mafia members would "out" themselves by unvoting near the deadline to save one of their own.

This is interesting to me. Mrkajz44 was one of the people advocating for a hammer on RatherDashing to prevent the mafia from doing a no lynch. However, when GP_Matt was near the lynch he didn't think the mafia would be so bold to remove their votes near the deadline. Seems to be pretty contradictory in thinking.

The fact he wanted a quick hammer to, apparently, ensure there was no funny business near the deadline resulting in a no lynch while RatherDashing (a light role cop) was up but saying the mafia wouldn't remove their votes at the deadline while GP_Matt was up is super fishy.

If GP_Matt or Mrkajz44 end up mafia this needs to be looked at, in fact I would go so far as to say the other needs to be voted out immediately.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by formulate

Are we agreed to continue to reject all membership offers? What concerns me is when the next eternal offers start to come and we could potentially lose important powers from some townies.

I was under the impression this was the agreement in the town at least for the Guardians now that we (probably) know there is no negative consequences for turning it down. I can't speak on the Eternals' invitations because they do sound more malicious in nature.

At this time we have the deadline lynch on ECF, so if nothing changes (big assumption, I know!) then we should hopefully get a better idea on these factions and how to handle them going forward. After the night of day 2 we may or may not want to continue this agreement.

I'd like to hear some more from those who haven't voted and are not as active right now. In my books that is hmmmhmmm, Baxter, and Hockeyguy (I know HG came in late, but haven't heard out much of him since the their first posts and there is almost nothing from stazzy to go on). Basically I want to hear a vote and a reason, or at least a reason for staying mum so far.

The more information, the better for us, so let's get a little more discussion going.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

This is interesting to me. Mrkajz44 was one of the people advocating for a hammer on RatherDashing to prevent the mafia from doing a no lynch. However, when GP_Matt was near the lynch he didn't think the mafia would be so bold to remove their votes near the deadline. Seems to be pretty contradictory in thinking.

The fact he wanted a quick hammer to, apparently, ensure there was no funny business near the deadline resulting in a no lynch while RatherDashing (a light role cop) was up but saying the mafia wouldn't remove their votes at the deadline while GP_Matt was up is super fishy.

If GP_Matt or Mrkajz44 end up mafia this needs to be looked at, in fact I would go so far as to say the other needs to be voted out immediately.

As I said before, I did get caught up in the chaos from when Matt came back and wanted to avoid the same thing with RD. When Matt was the only target I did want to wait and hear him out, but when the votes started to come for RD, I got concerned there could have been a split and deadline lynch missed. That's why I advocated hammer.

Looking back on the numbers my logic was flawed and I see that now. This is my first game, so that was my first lynch and my inexperience definitely shined through.

[East Coast Flame]

Alright, well it seems I am not long for this game so if I am going to die, let my death not be in vain. So here we go:

A) I am the doctor and I am on the side of lite.
B) The gift I recieved when I joined the eternals was a one shot night kill.

By revealing this, I want to encourage the light to not waste a lynch on me and make the mafia kill me at night. Let me try and save someone tonight and let me use the kill before it goes to waste.

If you guys don't believe me and use the hammer, here are my final thoughts before you drop the hammer:
-everything I have said about the group of eternals has been true. The group is neutral - not good or evil. I dont think the group is affecting the end game - the main battle is light vs. dark, stop focusuing on the groups, focus on beating scum! The group has a leader, I dont know if that is a person in the game or outside of the game. I believe the leader does not know the affiliation of people in the game so I believe the group will be made up of scum and town. The group that starseed is in is different than the group that GP and I are in. I dont know what that means. I had no contact with Matt, and I dont know if the gift he recieved was the same that I did.

And my final thought - the three people on my suspicuous list are GP_Matt, Girlysports and GGG. Not much to go on, but I just think the three of them are shady.

If you choose to hammer me, then so be it. Refer back to this post for the next day

[Oling_Roachinen]

Ha, oh boy.

So, there wasn't two mafia or a mafia and serial killer but rather GP_Matt using his night kill?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Vote: GP_Matt

At least until he confirms/denies ECF's post and usage of his night kill.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Thanks, and I suppose I can get behind not revealing the Eternals right away. That's not really my issue. In fact to start the day I said I thought you may be light because you wanted to wait for RatherDashing to respond, so I don't have a huge issue with what you did yesterday.

However, today you posted (Disclaimer: Edited quote):

But take a look at some of the posts that were made when you had 11 votes and after you had made your initial posts:

You don't get the luxury of my perspective, but had RatherDashing not revealed he was going to have issues posting the next couple days I probably would have hammered you. And even if I didn't, there were multiple posters who were seemingly advocating your lynch.

You should have been concerned yesterday, I don't know why you weren't and it bothers me a bit.

However,

Unvote

The first four posts were posted while I was catching up on the thread after my first post back but before I knew there were 11 votes against me. Once I caught up and posted an explanation that was longer than 140 characters the pressure started to ease and the last three quotes you posted were from the discussion about voting off one of myself or RD.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Ha, oh boy.

So, there wasn't two mafia or a mafia and serial killer but rather GP_Matt using his night kill?

I did not receive or use a night kill last night.

[Drury18]

For those who received invites:

Are you given a time limit to answer?

Are you given instructions that you cannot talk or post about the invite until you answer them?


For those who received invites after we decided to not accept any (and presuming there isn't any restrictions):

Is there a reason you engaged in conversation with the invitees prior to posting on the board about receiving it?

Why did you answer? Why didn't you just leave the invite open and not answer so that it didn't pass on to the next person and we stall them out?

No one has mentioned anything about the messages restricting them from speaking of the message or speaking about it until they answer the message. So why are all the reports coming AFTER the person receiving them has already engaged in conversation with the invitee? If the consensus is not to accept, why not just ignore the message, report back you've received it and essentially give the groups recruiting the middle finger not allowing them to move on to the next recruit? Why aren't we trying to stall them from inviting (and perhaps recruiting again) until we figure out what they can do? I mean the method of rejecting and letting it pass to the next person really relies on the honour system and being we have absolutely no clue what they are doing and everyone can't be trusted, I'm not sure that system is the best thing. If someone can hold the invite and try to stop the recruiting until we can see what happens with those recruited already, maybe we can get a better hold on what this whole mess is.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Ha, oh boy.

So, there wasn't two mafia or a mafia and serial killer but rather GP_Matt using his night kill?

Those were my first thoughts exactly. Would make a lot of sense for the devo killing.

Mafia kills bizarro to avoid a trail. Matt kills devo suspecting he is mafia (devo was a name mentioned in the twilight thread as suspicious). Seems like a reasonable explanation. Of course, just a another theory floating in the wind at this point.

If RD is telling the truth, then my logic for my vote on him is way off base. For that reason, I'm taking the vote of him for now. I will echo RD (and some others) that I am suspicious of Girly and might move my vote in that direction.

Unvote

[GP_Matt]

Assuming ECF is telling the truth does it make sense to choose someone else and ID a second target for him tonight to kill?
I am too tired to consider the options, but either way we should not do anything final for a bit so everyone has a chance to weigh in.

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Drury18

For those who received invites:

Are you given a time limit to answer?

Are you given instructions that you cannot talk or post about the invite until you answer them?


For those who received invites after we decided to not accept any (and presuming there isn't any restrictions):

Is there a reason you engaged in conversation with the invitees prior to posting on the board about receiving it?

Why did you answer? Why didn't you just leave the invite open and not answer so that it didn't pass on to the next person and we stall them out?

I'll answer for my invitation.

Yes, there was a 24 hour time limit to answer.

No, there was nothing saying I had to respond before I could talk in the thread again. However, the message did say not to talk about the content of the invite, with a few exceptions which I did mention when I posted about my invite.

I contemplated letting everyone know I had the invite out there before I rejected. However, there has been a lot of bad blood out there for the members and didn't want to associate myself with the group prior to rejection. In my eyes, if I said "hey guys, should I accept?" I think some people would have cried fowl stating we agreed to reject all offers and my hesitation would be seen as scummy. I'll admit it was easy for me to judge others prior to me getting the invite, so try to see it from the invitees perspective.

As I said above, I did not want to post again on the board before I rejected the invite. That's why I didn't wait on the 24 hour deadline. Now that you bring that up though, it could be a solid strategy for the new invitees.

Hope that information helps.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

I did not receive or use a night kill last night.

hmmm if you didn't receive or use a night kill, why does ECF have one?
I'm sleepy, I'm only awake cause I'm watching the tennis.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Alright, well it seems I am not long for this game so if I am going to die, let my death not be in vain. So here we go:

A) I am the doctor and I am on the side of lite.
B) The gift I recieved when I joined the eternals was a one shot night kill.

By revealing this, I want to encourage the light to not waste a lynch on me and make the mafia kill me at night. Let me try and save someone tonight and let me use the kill before it goes to waste.

If you guys don't believe me and use the hammer, here are my final thoughts before you drop the hammer:
-everything I have said about the group of eternals has been true. The group is neutral - not good or evil. I dont think the group is affecting the end game - the main battle is light vs. dark, stop focusuing on the groups, focus on beating scum! The group has a leader, I dont know if that is a person in the game or outside of the game. I believe the leader does not know the affiliation of people in the game so I believe the group will be made up of scum and town. The group that starseed is in is different than the group that GP and I are in. I dont know what that means. I had no contact with Matt, and I dont know if the gift he recieved was the same that I did.

And my final thought - the three people on my suspicuous list are GP_Matt, Girlysports and GGG. Not much to go on, but I just think the three of them are shady.

If you choose to hammer me, then so be it. Refer back to this post for the next day

I've always believed you were good. That is why my vote has stayed with GP while the others moved towards you. Too bad you had to reveal this. It's more important now to keep you alive to get that one shot kill.

Originally Posted by Drury18

For those who received invites:

Are you given a time limit to answer?

Are you given instructions that you cannot talk or post about the invite until you answer them?


For those who received invites after we decided to not accept any (and presuming there isn't any restrictions):

Is there a reason you engaged in conversation with the invitees prior to posting on the board about receiving it?

Why did you answer? Why didn't you just leave the invite open and not answer so that it didn't pass on to the next person and we stall them out?

No one has mentioned anything about the messages restricting them from speaking of the message or speaking about it until they answer the message. So why are all the reports coming AFTER the person receiving them has already engaged in conversation with the invitee? If the consensus is not to accept, why not just ignore the message, report back you've received it and essentially give the groups recruiting the middle finger not allowing them to move on to the next recruit? Why aren't we trying to stall them from inviting (and perhaps recruiting again) until we figure out what they can do? I mean the method of rejecting and letting it pass to the next person really relies on the honour system and being we have absolutely no clue what they are doing and everyone can't be trusted, I'm not sure that system is the best thing. If someone can hold the invite and try to stop the recruiting until we can see what happens with those recruited already, maybe we can get a better hold on what this whole mess is.

24 hours for me too and my letter said I couldn't not talk about it until I made a decision. I was the first one with the opportunity to reject since the 3 before me accepted so I wanted to reject it and let the town see what happened. I was expecting the first page to change to put something like "loser" beside my name for all to see. Or something else. But nothing happened.

mrkajz44 rejected the letter already knowing that I rejected it with no punishment.

[squiggs96]

Pika is back on the Matt vote and I feel this whole thing could have been avoided had we done it the first time.

Unvote

Vote GP_Matt

[dissentowner]

Wow, that reveal by ECF is a killer for us. I had unvoted because I thought ECF was scum along with GP_Matt and we were all going to eventually lynch ECF. I keep making the same mistake though and that is not keeping my vote on GP_Matt until the end of the day, every time he posts it just screams scum more and more.

Vote: GP_Matt

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

I did not receive or use a night kill last night.

What did you get?

What if we're all good except for one (Master Hand)?

(Completely out there, but I thought I would say it)

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I'd like to hear some more from those who haven't voted and are not as active right now. In my books that is hmmmhmmm, Baxter, and Hockeyguy (I know HG came in late, but haven't heard out much of him since the their first posts and there is almost nothing from stazzy to go on). Basically I want to hear a vote and a reason, or at least a reason for staying mum so far.

The more information, the better for us, so let's get a little more discussion going.

I think I've been pretty clear that I think Matt is town for the whole sticking his neck out to explain RD's lack of participation. I also said I would be willing to vote with the group on ECF or Matt, even though I think we are too focused on the cults and not looking for Mafia members. There was a split between the two for votes yesterday, then ECF was taking the lead before I went to bed and now this new info came up from ECF.

I haven't read past ECF's post yet, so I'll do that and then add more thoughts.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Those were my first thoughts exactly. Would make a lot of sense for the devo killing.

Mafia kills bizarro to avoid a trail. Matt kills devo suspecting he is mafia (devo was a name mentioned in the twilight thread as suspicious). Seems like a reasonable explanation. Of course, just a another theory floating in the wind at this point.

If RD is telling the truth, then my logic for my vote on him is way off base. For that reason, I'm taking the vote of him for now. I will echo RD (and some others) that I am suspicious of Girly and might move my vote in that direction.

Unvote

Can you explain the last part? RD isn't alive anymore, do you mean ECF?