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10-03-2014, 01:35 PM

oh boy. I'm really confused now.
ECF when were you contacted? What was in it for you? I assume that you were given a choice?

10-03-2014, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Puxlut

oh boy. I'm really confused now.
ECF when were you contacted? What was in it for you? I assume that you were given a choice?

Never mind... all was answered.
Still confused.

10-03-2014, 01:38 PM

I think the next question is: Has any body been asked and refused? (or are they allowed to say?)

East Coast Flame · 10-03-2014, 01:40 PM

Was just asked to join a few minutes ago. You are allowed to refuse, I have no idea if anyone has actually refused.

Timbo · 10-03-2014, 01:41 PM

People getting picked for teams of some sort, who's gonna be the Phil Kessel?
Our gamester has given us a game with many layers. I don't know whether to thank him or strangle him LOL.

Timbo · 10-03-2014, 01:43 PM

Interesting to see a vote count and if these members get a vote against them as did GP_Matt.

Wood · 10-03-2014, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Was just asked to join a few minutes ago. You are allowed to refuse, I have no idea if anyone has actually refused.

Did you join?

hmmhmmcamo · 10-03-2014, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Wood

Did you join?

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Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Indeed, I am a member of the eternals.

I can back up most of what GP_Matt has said about it. I was asked to join, I accepted. Everything is still very vague. It is neither good or evil.

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GGG · 10-03-2014, 01:46 PM

I think we have to assume that the eternals/guardians have both mafia members and town members.

GirlySports · 10-03-2014, 01:47 PM

He joined. Its on Post 1

East Coast Flame · 10-03-2014, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GGG

I think we have to assume that the eternals/guardians have both mafia members and town members.

Yes, I believe this is the case.

10-03-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Yes, I believe this is the case.

Do you know this as a fact?

Oling_Roachinen · 10-03-2014, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Delgar

I guess its time I should defend myself, as some accusations have been pointed my way

-Yes I was in on killing RD, it was incorrect but I can't say I fault the decision which was pretty much a consensus by that point.

Heavily disagree with this. Up until close to RatherDashing's lynch I thought the general consensus was to give everyone a chance at one more post to talk and use/tell us about their powers. That was until a couple members decided that we had to lynch right away which I think was misguided. We had like 19 votes between GP_Matt and RatherDashing, even if people swapped they would have just swapped to GP_Matt. The only reason mafia would try and delay is if one of them were mafia, we know RatherDashing wasn't.

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Originally Posted by Delgar

-Yes I miscounted leading up to the hammer, however, before the hammer was dropped, I pointed out my count was wrong. In any event, RD was going to go, and I didn't see any reason to wait, he hadn't contributed at all and I don't think anything he had to say would help

He said he would be able to post that evening. Getting him out in the day, and stopping from potentially using his power in the evening, seems mafia-like behaviour to me.

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-There is not "no reason" to suspect Puxlut. Let me argue it better this time:

a. I didn't get a townie feeling about her day 1, as I didn't think her posts were really trying to zero in on mafia

That would have been a decent reason to vote for her, but that's not the reason you gave.

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b. We have to use the information we have, which is the mafia chose to kill devo22 and bizaro86.

I don't know if I completely agree that the mafia is the only one at work here, but generally I agree with this.

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c. I see nothing about their posts that makes them stick out as mafia, so we have to wonder why they chose those two. If we assume there are 6 mafia (which is a guess), the "chances" of picking any two specific townies for killing is 0.04%.

If they didn't stick out as mafia, that's probably the reason they went after them. And I don't get your odds here at all.

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Originally Posted by Delgar

d. Because there was no apparent reason to pick those two, lets consider how the mafia chose them. I am saying it is not coincidental that they offed the two most important characters in the nintendo universe.

Mario, absolutely the most iconic nintendo character. Donkey Kong? Nah. Pikachu? Sure, I can see the argument. Link? Yeah, Zelda is huge. Donkey Kong? Not so much. Iconic, but not the most iconic.

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Originally Posted by Delgar

e. They would have looked at their own abilities vs. their own characters. While Mazrim has said things were done randomly, he has also said that characters are "not necessarily" indicative of roles or powers. That to me is somewhat ambiguous of a statement. They may think they found a pattern amongst themselves (even if it was truly random, which I'm not sure of) and chose to test it out by offing Mario and Donkey Kong.

Okay, so let's assume they were going for the most iconic and Mario and DK are somehow the most iconic. Why would you go after Bowser? If he's the next most iconic, what's the logic?

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Originally Posted by Delgar

f. So I'm doing the same, simply by tossing a vote out against Mario's "natural" enemy. And I promptly get jumped upon by 3 posters....

But alignment is not determined by their character. This is fact, you choosing to go after a bad guy is simply wrong. You choosing to go after the most iconic is also something I don't buy.

This is on top of "forgetting" to vote and "accidentally" miscounting. Your posts aren't adding up to me, and for that reason I see you as most suspicious.

East Coast Flame · 10-03-2014, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Puxlut

Do you know this as a fact?

No, I don't.

I still suspect GP_Matt to be scum, and nothing in joining the eternals has changed my mind, so I will keep my vote on him.

Kjesse · 10-03-2014, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Heavily disagree with this. Up until close to RatherDashing's lynch I thought the general consensus was to give everyone a chance at one more post to talk and use/tell us about their powers. That was until a couple members decided that we had to lynch right away which I think was misguided. We had like 19 votes between GP_Matt and RatherDashing, even if people swapped they would have just swapped to GP_Matt. The only reason mafia would try and delay is if one of them were mafia, we know RatherDashing wasn't.

He said he would be able to post that evening. Getting him out in the day, and stopping from potentially using his power in the evening, seems mafia-like behaviour to me.

That would have been a decent reason to vote for her, but that's not the reason you gave.

I don't know if I completely agree that the mafia is the only one at work here, but generally I agree with this.

If they didn't stick out as mafia, that's probably the reason they went after them. And I don't get your odds here at all.

Mario, absolutely the most iconic nintendo character. Donkey Kong? Nah. Pikachu? Sure, I can see the argument. Link? Yeah, Zelda is huge. Donkey Kong? Not so much. Iconic, but not the most iconic.

Okay, so let's assume they were going for the most iconic and Mario and DK are somehow the most iconic. Why would you go after Bowser? If he's the next most iconic, what's the logic?

But alignment is not determined by their character. This is fact, you choosing to go after a bad guy is simply wrong. You choosing to go after the most iconic is also something I don't buy.

This is on top of "forgetting" to vote and "accidentally" miscounting. Your posts aren't adding up to me, and for that reason I see you as most suspicious.

Meeting cancelled... so I'm back! I'm not going to back and forth and only repeat what I said before, but will respond to some of the "new" things:

-it appears to me the mafia has 2 kills. I don't see evidence of an assassin though one of the kills could have been from one.

-they should not have stuck out "to" the mafia. See my subsequent post

-As an old fart (42 and counting) I don't know what a pikachu is. Nintendo is Mario and Donkey Kong to me.

-Odds: Assume 6 bad guys. 16 good guys. 1/16 = 6.25%. Multiply for the odds of randomly choosing those exact two (6.25*6.25)

-I'd agree my reasoning would apply equally against, for example, Link. I chose Bowser as a means to discuss my theory.

-The counting error: I was counting backward the first two times, and that's why I got it wrong, the same way, twice. I then went back to Mazrim's vote post and counted forward, got the right number, and posted I made an error. I'm fine if you want to use the other reasons for suspecting I'm mafia, but using this one is foolish. I did it right in the open and there was no doubt RD was dieing, the only issue was when. There is no way in hell a mafia member would intentionally miscount to promote a mistaken hammer vote.

Kjesse · 10-03-2014, 02:09 PM

Actually my math is a little off. It would be 6.25% for the first one, and then 1/15 for the second, so 6.66%. The odds of picking those exact two thus becomes 0.4%.

Kjesse · 10-03-2014, 02:11 PM

Perhaps more importantly Oling, what about Puxlut's posts make you think she is town? I think her posts today are "better" in that regard, but I certainly don't have her on my (admittedly short) "town" list. You seem to.... why?

Oling_Roachinen · 10-03-2014, 02:12 PM

Those magic odds only matter if Donkey Kong is the second most important. I think you'll have trouble convincing us he's more iconic than Link or Pikachu. And you can't use the internet and claim to not know what a pikachu is. And it still doesn't fit into the Bowser logic because even if they picked the two most important, what does that have to do with going for Bowser?

That's on top of advocating for the hammer to a known townie before they could have their last say in the evening, forgetting to vote and miscounting the votes.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-03-2014, 02:14 PM

There was so much stuff to talk about today and Delgar comes in and votes for Puxlut with the reasoning that Mario and Donkey Kong are dead and we should vote for Bowser? I don't buy it, seems to be just adding confusion to an already crazy day.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-03-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Delgar

Perhaps more importantly Oling, what about Puxlut's posts make you think she is town? I think her posts today are "better" in that regard, but I certainly don't have her on my (admittedly short) "town" list. You seem to.... why?

I said she hasn't done anything shady, have I said she is town?

Huge difference.

I'm not defending Puxlut, she may or may not be scum. But your logic of "Mario and Donkey Kong died, let's kill Bowser" is what has pushed me towards you (over the other people who cast the hammer/ wanted it to be casted).