The gym is not a workplace and women choose to wear revealing clothing on their own freewill, you don't decide where my eyes go in public. If a women chooses to show her butt and wear a shirt that barely holds in her chest it's not really harassment, she'd be chastised for wearing it at work so how can you chastise people for looking at women that choose to wear revealing clothing? I don't walk around in a speedo and get pissed off if people stare, that's silly.
Some serious over sensitivity and misplaced political correctness. Wearing revealing clothing around a bunch of men exercising and acting dismayed at being looked at is ridiculous. Go to Curves if it's that much of an issue, it's not against the law to look at women wearing revealing clothing in public. Just because men look doesn't mean their going to harass her, it's unreasonable to ask men not to stare at the one thing that drives their brain the most when flaunting it around.
Jesus Christ, are we seriously circling back to the "well she was wearing that, so she had it coming" argument? Some pretty repugnant stuff.
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Jesus Christ, are we seriously circling back to the "well she was wearing that, so she had it coming" argument? Some pretty repugnant stuff.
Asked for what? Getting looked at? Yeah really repugnant, scum of the earth stuff using eyeballs in public. Hypersensitivity, moral superiority and political correctness are way out of control with some of you.
The gym is not a workplace and women choose to wear revealing clothing on their own freewill, you don't decide where my eyes go in public. If a women chooses to show her butt and wear a shirt that barely holds in her chest it's not really harassment, she'd be chastised for wearing it at work so how can you chastise people for looking at women that choose to wear revealing clothing? I don't walk around in a speedo and get pissed off if people stare, that's silly.
Some serious over sensitivity and misplaced political correctness. Wearing revealing clothing around a bunch of men exercising and acting dismayed at being looked at is ridiculous. Go to Curves if it's that much of an issue, it's not against the law to look at women wearing revealing clothing in public. Just because men look doesn't mean their going to harass her, it's unreasonable to ask men not to stare at the one thing that drives their brain the most when flaunting it around.
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Asked for what? Getting looked at? Yeah really repugnant, scum of the earth stuff using eyeballs in public. Hypersensitivity, moral superiority and political correctness are way out of control with some of you.
Here's a tip, it is not up to somebody else to change their behaviour because you can't control your own offensive behaviour. If you are the one who is unable to control themselves, then the onus is on you to remove yourself from said situations or work on bettering yourself. This isn't complex stuff. It should be baseline morality for anyone without a complete sense of entitlement.
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Does the why you reference say anything about why it's ok, legally, for a womens establishment to refuse service to men but not the other way around?
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Does that ruling give specific guidelines for what is deemed as "justifiable discrimination"? Seems like a pretty slippery slope, even if well-intentioned.
The charter doesn't specifically say why a women's gym gets a justification but there are pretty robust guidelines on how to identify and evaluate things to judge such things. Back during the tent protest thing I had a bit of a grip on how that works but unfortunately it's been replaced with something else so I can't say much specifically anymore. Reading legal conclusions is tough slogging.
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The gym is not a workplace and women choose to wear revealing clothing on their own freewill, you don't decide where my eyes go in public.
Maybe there should be a place where they can wear workout clothing to work out without having your eyes go wherever....?
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Asked for what? Getting looked at? Yeah really repugnant, scum of the earth stuff using eyeballs in public. Hypersensitivity, moral superiority and political correctness are way out of control with some of you.
I think what you're referring to is self-defeating personality disorder. I am 100% certain there are other women who know of this barbershop issue and think this woman is just being a drama queen.
Asked for what? Getting looked at? Yeah really repugnant, scum of the earth stuff using eyeballs in public. Hypersensitivity, moral superiority and political correctness are way out of control with some of you.
It's not the getting looked at or casual glance. That's something that is reasonable.
It the:
Spoiler!
This isn't okay. Unless it like the True Lies scene when Harry gets his wife to dance for him.
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Here's a tip, it is not up to somebody else to change their behaviour because you can't control your own offensive behaviour. If you are the one who is unable to control themselves, then the onus is on you to remove yourself from said situations or work on bettering yourself. This isn't complex stuff. It should be baseline morality for anyone without a complete sense of entitlement.
I control myself just fine. Who are you to judge? It's hypersensitivity plain and simple, a women wears pants that make her appear nearly naked and I'm a bad person for noticing when she bends over right in front of me?
If I wore some tight ass pants to the gym and bent over in front of people it would be insane to get pissed off about being looked at, take your nonsense somewhere else. You feel the need to make yourself feel better than others whenever possible and it's boring, you aren't better than me, nice try though.
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I actually think he's agreeing that it's ridiculous to say what a woman wears entitles men to be total dirtbags to her, but I'm not sure.
this just in using eyes makes you a dirtbag, women do not like being looked at and are not into their looks at all. Now looking below the neckline is considered repugnant harassment.
It's not the getting looked at or casual glance. That's something that is reasonable.
It the:
Spoiler!
This isn't okay. Unless it like the True Lies scene when Harry gets his wife to dance for him.
Exactly. I don't think anyone really cares about a casual glance, but the dudes who do the whole thing where they stop what they're doing and just stare down a woman's ass/tits for a good 30 seconds are creepy ####ing ######bags.
I control myself just fine. Who are you to judge? It's hypersensitivity plain and simple, a women wears pants that make her appear nearly naked and I'm a bad person for noticing when she bends over right in front of me?
If I wore some tight ass pants to the gym and bent over in front of people it would be insane to get pissed off about being looked at, take your nonsense somewhere else. You feel the need to make yourself feel better than others whenever possible and it's boring, you aren't better than me, nice try though.
If you don't have the ability not to stare at a woman, then no, you don't control yourself just fine.
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