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Old 09-03-2014, 09:42 AM   #41
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The funny part about this is that they probably only wanted to serve men because women complain too much.

And now this.

And stuff like this is why we need a sexism thread.
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only reason i see her wanting to go to the shop is that they offer a service that likely isn't something she can find elsewhere... likely a tight fade type haircut (which are hard to find in most places, but i'd imagine near impossible in regina).

Not sure why the shop refused the business.
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And stuff like this is why we need a sexism thread.
Le sigh. I was kidding.

Stuff like this is why we need a no-limit humour thread.

Although, thanks for the information about the haircut. I didnt know that.
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Speaking as an actual professional with actual understanding of how haircuts work--the 'hard part' haircut that this woman was seeking is 1) extremely popular right now and 2) a very difficult look to achieve and in some places cannot be done legally by a stylist, only a barber, because straight razor cutting is involved, and at least in Pennsylvania, barbers can use straight razors, stylists legally cannot.

She was looking for a highly specialized service that a barber such as this type would be able to achieve. Again, I agree--had she been looking for a typical feminine haircut/style/etc, this is not the place for her. She was looking for a men's haircut, so she went to a barber who specializes in the men's haircut that she wanted.




As stated above, no she could not have gotten this specific haircut at any unisex shop. Specialized cut which needs specialized skills and tools that only barbers would have. She was unlikely trying to "bust balls" and more likely she looked up information on where best to get a hard part haircut and this barbershop would be the best place to get it.
This is Regina not Pennsylvania , I also have family who run/own unisex shops in Canada and the majority of them have the tools to do this kind of haircut for her. She certainly could have gotten the cut she desired at one if she chose to. Also a quick Google map search shows there is another old school barbershop less than a block away. She was definitely out to bust balls , there's no point in denying that.

With that said I think they should have given her the cut , it's what they specialize in and I don't see the big deal. It should be about the type of service they provide not the customer's gender, if a woman wants a haircut that is typically for men then so be it.

I think this whole thing is petty on both her and the shop's account. She could have went a block and got her haircut , they could have just served her.
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The outrage is over the top, but I can't understand why they didn't just do the cut. It's a barbershop, not a tree fort with a no gurls allowed sign.
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Here is another article on CBC.ca from a few days ago:

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"He launched into this rant saying if they start accepting trans clients and lesbians then what if a lesbian with long hair wants their hair cut? Where do you draw the line?," Ruddy told CBC News.
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The owner of Ragged Ass Barber shop, Craig Zamonsky, told CBC News that the barbers stand behind their policy regarding men's haircuts.


"The Ragged Ass Barbers take pride in providing exceptional grooming services for men," he said. "We choose to model our shop after the time-honoured tradition of classic barbershop because as barbers we have dedicated our careers to men's grooming services."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskat...aint-1.2751215


Let us get this straight, Ruddy actually rocks the hair cut and wasn't calling just to troll them, she legitimately wanted that hair cut. The person who is quoted in the star phoenix article is not the same person who called for the hair cut.

I still would have just said screw you then I will take my business elsewhere, you don't want it you don't get it, your loss. But again I think I don't fully understand the nature of these discriminatory cases as I have never had it happen to me. I can only empathize from the consumer view point.
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This is Regina not Pennsylvania , I also have family who run/own unisex shops in Canada and the majority of them have the tools to do this kind of haircut for her. She certainly could have gotten the cut she desired at one if she chose to. Also a quick Google map search shows there is another old school barbershop less than a block away. She was definitely out to bust balls , there's no point in denying that.

With that said I think they should have given her the cut , it's what they specialize in and I don't see the big deal. It should be about the type of service they provide not the customer's gender, if a woman wants a haircut that is typically for men then so be it.

I think this whole thing is petty on both her and the shop's account. She could have went a block and got her haircut , they could have just served her.
It's really not that easy. The haircut she wanted is not an easy cut to do, and depending on the age of the barber at the 'old school barbershop' he likely cannot do this cut. This is a modern cut, and many barbershops do nothing but fades/flat tops.

You aren't going to get a 70 year old barber doing this haircut. Unless he's incredibly hip, he hasn't kept up with the skills to make this haircut happen. The hard part depends on a very carefully straight-razored parting, a haircut that can very easily be ruined in an instant if the barber/stylist doing the cut doesn't know exactly what they're doing.

Seriously, this is a very difficult haircut to do, it is entirely possible that if she wanted this specific haircut, she would've wanted to go to this specific shop to achieve it. Barber shops that do cuts like the hard part and various pompadours and things like that, which are extremely popular right now, are few and far between. This is not your basic clipper fade that any stylist/barber can handle.
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The outrage is over the top, but I can't understand why they didn't just do the cut. It's a barbershop, not a tree fort with a no gurls allowed sign.
Not to mention: Money.

I've heard that it can be exchanged for goods and services and has an extremely high resilience to cooties.
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Not to mention: Money.

I've heard that it can be exchanged for goods and services and has an extremely high resilience to cooties.
They were probably worried about cootie transfer during the money exchange.
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"He launched into this rant saying if they start accepting trans clients and lesbians then what if a lesbian with long hair wants their hair cut? Where do you draw the line?,"

Well that answers my trans question and pretty much confirms to me the dude's probably a bit of a bigot.
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"He launched into this rant saying if they start accepting trans clients and lesbians then what if a lesbian with long hair wants their hair cut? Where do you draw the line?,"

Well that answers my trans question and pretty much confirms to me the dude's probably a bit of a bigot.
Yeah it's pretty rare someone pulls out a slippery slope argument unless they're trying to justify their ####ty opinions.
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Let us get this straight, Ruddy actually rocks the hair cut and wasn't calling just to troll them, she legitimately wanted that hair cut.
And if I say she did this just to be vexatious I'm a) assuming (possibly because it fits a desired narrative) and b) distracting from the actual issue by appealing to emotion.

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The person who is quoted in the star phoenix article is not the same person who called for the hair cut.
That's clear in the article from the OP as well. The assistant professor being quoted is just a local academic on women's studies, if she's being quoted it's because the reporter contacted her for input.

The other interesting part is that the person that tried to get the cut had to delete her twitter account because of backlash and threats.
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I talked to my daughter who's a licensed hair stylist in Saskatchewan as I remembered her telling me that they teach them how to do men's hairstyles. When I asked her about the 'hard part' she said no, she wished they had taught her those styles but they didn't so it's probably pretty much as Wittynickname says.
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And if I say she did this just to be vexatious I'm a) assuming (possibly because it fits a desired narrative) and b) distracting from the actual issue by appealing to emotion.



That's clear in the article from the OP as well. The assistant professor being quoted is just a local academic on women's studies, if she's being quoted it's because the reporter contacted her for input.

The other interesting part is that the person that tried to get the cut had to delete her twitter account because of backlash and threats.
Threats? Seriously?
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this is an important issue that needs to be solved in order for us to move forward as a society........good grief......
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On a Facebook page, created by Ruddy to bring attention to the situation, Ruddy asked people to "inundate them with calls so that they will reconsider their sexist policy and give us the barbershop hair styles we want."
Ugh.

Sure, they should have just cut her hair, but I really hate internet "activism" like this.
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The business should be able to do whatever it wants. There are many types of businesses, groups, organizations and events which are gender specific and people don't seem to cry foul about them. There are female only gyms, some hotels have female only floors, university residence is split by gender, there are gender specific professional and business networks and organizations, etc.
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The other interesting part is that the person that tried to get the cut had to delete her twitter account because of backlash and threats.
Well this is also the same city that dumped a truck full of manure on a football players front lawn for missing a kick.
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Threats? Seriously?
Which means to me that even if she was doing it on purpose, that it's a necessary thing to do.

Black people SHOULD keep going to sit in the whites only section until the complaining about black people in the whites only section stops.
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Well this is also the same city that dumped a truck full of manure on a football players front lawn for missing a kick.
Lol really??! That's so crappy it's awesome.
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