Holy crap you illiterate troglodytes, the article very specifically mentions Curves gym.
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Tracy Thompson, who owns two Regina Curves locations and manages another, said she has never had a man inquire about a membership in her three years of involvement.
"Should a man decide to join Curves, we would let him. It's the law.
She wanted a men's haircut, she called a business that specializes in men's haircuts. They denied her business on the basis of her sex. This is called "sexual discrimination." It's illegal in Canada.
So what would their policy be towards a trans man getting a haircut? As PsYcNeT already pointed out, comparing it to a women's only gym isn't really similar, because the existence of women's only gyms are only necessitated by the fact that a lot of women don't feel comfortable exercising in regular gyms. And if you've spent any amount of time in regular gyms, you'll know exactly why.
Should we have women-only streets? I bet women are checked out walking down the street just as much as they are at a gym.
The old "if we can't prevent ####ty things from happening everywhere, why try to prevent them from happening anywhere," argument rears its ugly, nonsensical head again.
The old "if we can't prevent ####ty things from happening everywhere, why try to prevent them from happening anywhere," argument rears its ugly, nonsensical head again.
Ah yes, enjoy the thread you two.
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Holy crap you illiterate troglodytes, the article very specifically mentions Curves gym.
She wanted a men's haircut, she called a business that specializes in men's haircuts. They denied her business on the basis of her sex. This is called "sexual discrimination." It's illegal in Canada.
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The Barbers opened its shop doors providing exceptional grooming services FOR men in a unique atmosphere geared specifically TO men.
They made it pretty clear who is welcome there. I did not change the capitalized words either
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Again, as Resolute pointed out, change men to "whites" and see how far that gets you. If I'm not mistaken, in regards to the women only gyms, wasn't the ruling that it was discrimination but that the discrimination was acceptable on grounds of personal safety or something similar?
The woman who sought the haircut was clearly seeking a very specific, traditionally men's style. Why wouldn't she go to a hair salon which had the most experience in executing this haircut?
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Originally Posted by DropIt
Because the business is set up to be a men's only barber shop.
She can get a men's haircut at any other barber shop. I'm sure they have also cut many of men's haircuts as well.
Speaking as an actual professional with actual understanding of how haircuts work--the 'hard part' haircut that this woman was seeking is 1) extremely popular right now and 2) a very difficult look to achieve and in some places cannot be done legally by a stylist, only a barber, because straight razor cutting is involved, and at least in Pennsylvania, barbers can use straight razors, stylists legally cannot.
She was looking for a highly specialized service that a barber such as this type would be able to achieve. Again, I agree--had she been looking for a typical feminine haircut/style/etc, this is not the place for her. She was looking for a men's haircut, so she went to a barber who specializes in the men's haircut that she wanted.
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
I don't care what she says, she could get her haircut at any women's shop or any unisex shop. She's just trying to bust balls. Women have their own places so we should be able to have ours.
As stated above, no she could not have gotten this specific haircut at any unisex shop. Specialized cut which needs specialized skills and tools that only barbers would have. She was unlikely trying to "bust balls" and more likely she looked up information on where best to get a hard part haircut and this barbershop would be the best place to get it.
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Sure, they can gear their business in such a way that it appeals to men, and that will strongly influence their cliental, but they cannot deny a client services on the basis of sex. It's illegal both by Saskatchewan law and Canadian law.
Speaking as an actual professional with actual understanding of how haircuts work--the 'hard part' haircut that this woman was seeking is 1) extremely popular right now and 2) a very difficult look to achieve and in some places cannot be done legally by a stylist, only a barber, because straight razor cutting is involved, and at least in Pennsylvania, barbers can use straight razors, stylists legally cannot.
That's some pretty important information, and it changes the tone of the controversy significantly.
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Yeah, I don't think she was honestly looking for a haircut that these people could only provide. She was looking to make a statement. Which is fine by me, because the idea of segregating haircut services specifically for men is ridiculous and illegal. Organizations like this should be highlighted for their ignorance.
Curves has their boundaries. Men respect it. This shop clearly defined their boundaries. This lady deliberately chose to disrespect it in (my opinion). She could have explored other options.
*edit* Actually, I'll leave up but retract that based on Witty's info. I was under the impression it was a pretty standard cut.
Yeah, I don't think she was honestly looking for a haircut that these people could only provide. She was looking to make a statement. Which is fine by me, because the idea of segregating haircut services specifically for men is ridiculous and illegal. Organizations like this should be highlighted for their ignorance.
I am a stylist, and I work with a barber, who has taught me how to do the hard part haircut. But I'm one of only two people (out of 25) in our two salons combined, who know how to do this haircut, because it is highly specialized, and if not for working with a barber, I wouldn't have learned how to do it.
The haircut she wanted is specialized, end of story. She went to the right place for the service that she desired. She did not ask one of these barbers to do a service outside of what he does on a daily basis. She asked for a haircut he likely does several times a week.
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