Police shooting of unarmed teen leads to protests and Riot

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Let me guess, you're a white Canadian.

Yes I am. Did I miss where it has been proclaimed white people have never been victims of police brutality? I stand by my original point in that there is zero evidence to conclude that the store clerk called the police because they were racist as that is what you have clearly concluded. Please debate me on that point rather than turn the conversation into something else.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

I am not surprised and don't blame you, I am just a little annoyed at videos like these that show one part of a situation and everyone is a rush to judge....kinda like the cops?

must be human nature...

Thankfully our judging doesn't put bullet holes in people.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nik-

Thankfully our judging doesn't put bullet holes in people.

Why are people making this out to be some sort or regular occurrence and that every coloured person should be afraid of the police? There are over 300 million people in the US and it's a certainty that not every single police officer will do the right thing. I'm not making excuses for it but until the human race becomes perfect these kind of things are always going to happen.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by nik-

Thankfully our judging doesn't put bullet holes in people.

Was the guy in that video shot? I missed that part.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Why are people making this out to be some sort or regular occurrence and that every coloured person should be afraid of the police? There are over 300 million people in the US and it's a certainty that not every single police officer will do the right thing. I'm not making excuses for it but until the human race becomes perfect these kind of things are always going to happen.

How are white Canadian's going to realistically comment on how black Americans feel?

[Derek Sutton]

I guess the evidence is that apparently all charges were dropped??? However, being obnoxious and evasive is generally not a good mix when interacting with the police. Sure it is his right to not ID himslef to police, but really, why not if you have done nothing wrong? The male cop really comes off as a massive ###### though and is the reason this situation escalated.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nik-

How are white Canadian's going to realistically comment on how black Americans feel?

How are white Canadians going to realistically comment on how US police officers feel?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

I am not surprised and don't blame you, I am just a little annoyed at videos like these that show one part of a situation and everyone is a rush to judge....kinda like the cops?

must be human nature...

You messed up the quote, but I think I separated which was your text in the middle and not part of my response.

I guess when you are unfairly targeted as this man was, and it's probably fair to say it wasn't his first time, you start to get a little annoyed and clam up and take our your phone.

People are quick to judge. But guess what? There's two reasons why we can judge better right now. One, we have video evidence. The cops had nothing. Two, cops are supposedly trained and taught not to judge. It's their freaking job not to. So yeah, higher standards and all that.

Lastly, and I'll repeat it cause it's important. If you don't defend your rights in situations like this, you will lose them. I have been in situations where I blurted out a bunch of stuff I didn't have to, to smooth the situation over and others where I had the foresight to clam right up and offer nothing. I wish I could say that the first situations always ended smoothly, but they didn't. Not all of them anyway. More questions often come.

It is entirely possible he says he's Joe Blow and he's waiting for his kids and that doesn't satisfy them. In fact, I'd give it a 50/50, especially when you see how professional they were.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Why are people making this out to be some sort or regular occurrence and that every coloured person should be afraid of the police? There are over 300 million people in the US and it's a certainty that not every single police officer will do the right thing. I'm not making excuses for it but until the human race becomes perfect these kind of things are always going to happen.

Because it IS a regular occurrence?

Edit: nm, what am i doing...

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

I guess the evidence is that apparently all charges were dropped??? However, being obnoxious and evasive is generally not a good mix when interacting with the police. Sure it is his right to not ID himslef to police, but really why not if you have done nothing wrong? The male cop really comes off as a massive ###### though and is the reason this situation escalated.

The "if you did nothing wrong" thing is such a load of bull####. A right not to do something is a good enough reason. The "if you did nothing wrong" qualifier is totally irrelevant.

[V]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

No but if approached by the police would never get the urge to record it unless I maybe actually did do something to warrant it as I may be able to use the video to deflect what I may have done and turn it into something that makes the police look bad.

I bet that if you were harassed more than once by the police you would be more inclined to videotape those mundane encounters with the police. That's where the point about white Canadian probably comes in.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

How are white Canadians going to realistically comment on how US police officers feel?

Well you've really blown this case wide open.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nik-

Well you've really blown this case wide open.

No I'm proving my point here as I don't think I have to tell you that it's not all roses being a US police officer and unless you have been in their shoes you probably shouldn't paint them all with the same brush.

[nik-]

Who's painting all police with the same brush? What are you even talking about haha?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Because it IS a regular occurrence?

Edit: nm, what am i doing...

Pleaser refer to my statement of the US being over 300 million and maybe compare it to say Canada on a per capita basis. I'm pretty sure this kind of thing has happened in Canada and although the situation may not have involved a coloured person it goes back to the point that police officers are still human at the end of the day and humans makes mistakes. In a country the size of the US you are never going to have an complete police authority that is not going to abuse their power or have poor judgement.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Lastly, and I'll repeat it cause it's important. If you don't defend your rights in situations like this, you will lose them.

So you are a supporter of the First Amendment and more specifically the NRA?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Pleaser refer to my statement of the US being over 300 million and maybe compare it to say Canada on a per capita basis. I'm pretty sure this kind of thing has happened in Canada and although the situation may not have involved a coloured person it goes back to the point that police officers are still human at the end of the day and humans makes mistakes. In a country the size of the US you are never going to have an authority that is not going to abuse their power.

At the end of 2002 the Bureau of Justice released a group of data that stated that there were 3,042 black male prisoners per 100,000 black males in the United States, compared to 1,261 Hispanic male prisoners per 100,000 Hispanic males and 487 white male prisoners per 100,000 white males.

The likelihood of black males going to prison in their lifetime is 28% compared to 4% of white males and 16% of Hispanic males.

Do you think this is because black people are inherently more predisposed towards criminality than their white counter parts?

If you don't believe black people are more prone to criminality than other races, in your opinion what constitutes such a drastic disparity in incarceration numbers for black people?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Do you think this is because black people are inherently more predisposed towards criminality than their white counter parts?

If you don't believe black people are more prone to criminality than other races, in your opinion what constitutes such a drastic disparity in incarceration numbers for black people?

I believe people born into poverty are inherently more predisposed towards criminal activity.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Daradon

You messed up the quote, but I think I separated which was your text in the middle and not part of my response.

I guess when you are unfairly targeted as this man was, and it's probably fair to say it wasn't his first time, you start to get a little annoyed and clam up and take our your phone.

People are quick to judge. But guess what? There's two reasons why we can judge better right now. One, we have video evidence. The cops had nothing. Two, cops are supposedly trained and taught not to judge. It's their freaking job not to. So yeah, higher standards and all that.

Lastly, and I'll repeat it cause it's important. If you don't defend your rights in situations like this, you will lose them. I have been in situations where I blurted out a bunch of stuff I didn't have to, to smooth the situation over and others where I had the foresight to clam right up and offer nothing. I wish I could say that the first situations always ended smoothly, but they didn't. Not all of them anyway. More questions often come.

It is entirely possible he says he's Joe Blow and he's waiting for his kids and that doesn't satisfy them. In fact, I'd give it a 50/50, especially when you see how professional they were.

Here's REALITY - if you don't cooperate with the cops, it usually doesn't end well regardless of color, religion, culture, hair style or raiders cap. Should the cops just walk away? That's called not doing your job and they have failed to protect and serve. A police offer doesn't know what you are capable of, what you have done, Like Estrada said, if anyone can be accused of being racist, it's the store owner who called it in, the cops are doing their job - the dood gave them a hard time - that gets you arrested.....get it?


It's not a hard concept. and a simple thing like cooperating actually will actually help whatever issue there is between cops and everyone who doesn't like them....the title of the video is misleading - he had a hand in what happened to him and it wasn't because of his skin color.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Do you think this is because black people are inherently more predisposed towards criminality than their white counter parts?

Nope - not genetically - but i think with ANYONE - what you grew up around can influence this.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If you don't believe black people are more prone to criminality than other races, in your opinion what constitutes such a drastic disparity in incarceration numbers for black people?

one of many is ->poverty which (can) lead to criminality -

But some people regardless of social status ect... are just wired to be jerks - could be some kind of trauma, abuse,