Mgtow

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

I was actually coming here to edit my post to a similar conclusion, as I was thinking about it more this morning.

Entitlement, lack of resilience when facing "rejection" ... both results of a society with a focus on consumption of well designed yet hollow gratification mechanisms. This is especially true with young men, it seems. Masculinity IS facing a crisis, but organizing a No Girls Allowed Club like this is NOT the solution.

Masculinity will be in a perpetual state of crisis until men start to realize that macho doesn't equal masculine, and accept that other identities deserve equal amounts of respect, reverence, and normality.

[CaptainCrunch]

Level 1: Situational awareness This level includes men who are aware of the realities that face them in society, and yet deem the risks acceptable to have a go at playing the game...

Level 2: Rejection of long-term relationships Man who rejects all form of long-term traditional romantic relationships, including but not limited to marriage, cohabitation of any sort which might be classified as common-law marriage, picking up for a single mother's children, or any action which might be used in court to turn him into a legal servant...

Level 3: Rejection of short-term relationships Man who rejects all form of traditional romantic relationships, including dating, one-night stands, etc. Any contact with opposite sex is kept strictly professional...

Level 4: Minimalism Men who have decided that it is not in their best interest to waste life by working at jobs they don’t like so they could buy things they don’t need. He will not produce more than is necessary for his own individual survival and acceptable standard of living...

http://mgtow1.blogspot.ca/2014/03/in....KwiyXIGp.dpuf

Really, this is it, this is the grand master plan?

I guess it would work if you had a job at walmart and spent all of your money on low rent hookers since you're merely going to use them to so to speak take care of the biology.

Maybe I need to turn in my man card, but this is the philosophy of rejectionism. This was written by a person that has been rejected on every level, personal, friendship and professional, and chooses to lash out with something that can be generously labeled "Me Manifesto"

Choosing not to commit to a career, and choosing not to have long term relationships is one thing, but even choosing to reject short term relationships or one night stands is a whole other different ball of wax.

At this point this philosophy is based around the concept of rampant masturbation is a sensory deprivation tank.

These are the people that live this life style for 2 or 3 years, and for the first year they think their lives are amazing and their empowered, then after that they'll b$tch to everyone around them that its someone else fault that they're lonely and can't get a date and can only get laid on paydays.

Part of solving life's great mysteries is dealing with woman on the good and bad sides, and dealing with the good and bad in societal situations.

One night stands are awesome because besides being awesome they teach you lessons that apply in long term relationships. Long term relationships are awesome because you aren't lonely anymore for one thing and for the other thing you learn how to deal with getting hurt and getting crushed and getting rejected and it makes you stronger and probably less likely to shoot up coed's in a fit of loser rage.

People need to also stop blaming external factors for rejection and failure and loss, and creating lame manifesto's that do that.

Everything is about trying and failing and taking a shot at whatever, and you know your going to fail, especially with woman, but at least you heard the sound of the gun going off.

[corporatejay]

Is this related to that pick-up artist thing?

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I suspect prime333 will experience that exact sensation if he ever re-discovers this thread several years in the future, say when he's 24 or 25 years old.

I thought the same thing. Comes across as jaded either from a sour relationship or loneliness. Then went on a Reddit subform for a weekend and now is a Mgtow evangelist full of empty one liners.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Is this related to that pick-up artist thing?

Kinda, except the opposite end of the spectrum (i.e. guys who couldn't pick up the clap at a Mexican whorehouse)

[prime333]

I never said I'm against one night stands, it's marriages that's bad for men, but some men will still do it anyways.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by prime333

I never said I'm against one night stands, it's marriages that's bad for men, but some men will still do it anyways.

I am so happy you are back posting today.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by prime333

I never said I'm against one night stands, it's marriages that's bad for men, but some men will still do it anyways.

1 in 5 people have herpes. One night stands can be plenty bad for men.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by rubecube

1 in 5 people have herpes. One night stands can be plenty bad for men.

What?

Really, is that true?

It seems high to me.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by rubecube

1 in 5 people have herpes. One night stands can be plenty bad for men.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What?

Really, is that true?

It seems high to me.

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

For both of you gentlemen:

http://bedsider.org/features/253

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by rubecube

For both of you gentlemen:

http://bedsider.org/features/253

Yet another positive to being married.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Yet another positive to being married.

I can't remember if it goes up to 1 in 4 in people under 30 or people over 30, but yeah, you're basically playing Russian roulette with your junk if you get wasted and forget the condom.

[OldDutch]

I have debated posting in here, as I didn't want to bump up this thread and give this crazy thought process even then slightest bit of credibility. Looks like other posters have jumped in with some great responses outlining the danger this stuff leads to, so I won't revisit all those reasons.

I want to just say the whole essence of this line of thinking can be boiled down to control. Typically this is attempting to control others (women), because of a history of lack of control. On the surface it seems harmless, saying you will forgo relationships with women so you maintain leverage or control over their temptation. For example, the goal is to say you have rejected the temptation of women. You have control over that temptation by staying away from them other than meaningless sex. It is framing women as an evil whose sole purpose is to control you, so you need to fight back against it.

I don't need to re-state how wrong this is. However, I do want to share what I have seen in my life when this control is lost and a man snaps. My best friend, normally a great guy (and not into MGTOW stuff), lost it when his long term girlfriend broke up with him years ago. So he took both his and her life. He lost control over her, and in a moment of complete stupidity he exacted the control he wanted over her. He then controlled his exit out by taking his own life.

So believe what you want, but realize that my friends end game, is the end game for some men who feel like they lost the control they were entitled to. Recognize this garbage for what it is, attempt to control others masked as harmless self liberation. It is selfishness and self-entitlement at its worst.

I learned a long time ago, "you can't control people". I say that all the time. Yes you can do your best to persuade and influence, but at the end of the day people are going to do what they want women and men. That will drive you nuts and haunt you unless you let it go. Only then will you be truly free.

I tried to help my friend as best I could in those months/weeks/days leading up, but he made his choice, and there is nothing I can do about it. He made his mistake and I moved on, but I am not carrying any baggage about it. You should take this same approach with women, you'll get a lot more peace and happiness than following this MGTOW stuff.

[Kiran403]

Originally Posted by fotze

Ya, I have seen some acquaintances/friends and shake in fear if i married into that. Like not allowed to go out without her, EVER. No drinks at the bar for 2 hours, never. Golf trip, no bloody way. And the nagging, the wife and I will just sit there in awe at it.

How does this even happen? Is it a gradual shift of attitudes or did the guy in the relationship just not see it coming at all? I've been married 6 years and sure, some things may have changed a bit but for the most part my wife still has the same personality as when I married her. She's free to pursue her interests and hobbies and I can do the same with mine. I couldn't imagine having another person restrict what I could or could not do like I was a child.

Also, this thread could be the greatest off-topic off-season thread this summer.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Muta

I could see marriage trending downwards over time. It's expensive, and its a religious institution to get married, and religion is playing less and less of a role in people's lives these days (given scientific advances, atheist views, etc.).

Marriage is not a religious institution anymore. It may have roots in it, but it doesn't have to be religious at all anymore. 5 out of the last 6 weddings I have been to were not religious. The religious one was my brothers and he is an atheist.

[PsYcNeT]

OP how many fedora's do you own?

Are you euphoric in this moment?

[prime333]

To be honest I knew there would be a lot of naysayers when I made this thread. Like I said are many benefits of living a bachelor lifestyle. Avoid marriage grow your wealth and use it and continue to improve as a man. Your future success and apathy towards women will make you more attractive to them... giving you the option to USE THEM.

[PsYcNeT]

Also I want to mention that the MGTOW forum is hilarious. Like, I saw a guy complaining about how too many women go to comic book conventions now and it's harder/more expensive to buy tickets because COSPLAYERS *shakes fist*

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by prime333

To be honest I knew there would be a lot of naysayers when I made this thread. Like I said are many benefits of living a bachelor lifestyle. Avoid marriage grow your wealth and use it and continue to improve as a man. Your future success and apathy towards women will make you more attractive to them... giving you the option to USE THEM.

This post kinda seals the deal that this whole thread was a troll job. Mission accomplished I guess.