Police shooting of unarmed teen leads to protests and Riot

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Seems you've already seen all the evidence before everyone else.

In what case would you absolve the cop? Like, seriously - make up some evidence that needs to appear before you'd believe the cop was in the right.

I didn't say the cop was right don't pit words in my mouth. When's the last time a cop in the states was convicted. Police being charged is routine but rarley convicted. I think he was 100 percent wrong. That's an execution he performed.

They changed there story 2 times now.

[combustiblefuel]

Something that has bothered me this hole time about the new robbery story is why they would let the friend go?

If he and mike brown just did an alleged robbery why was he let go immediately? No charges no trip down to the station just free to go? Seems pretty damn strange.


You know why people that have guns civilians or not are just waiting for the opportunity to use it. They try to rationalize to them self it is in self defense.

[combustiblefuel]

Store owners now responding to looters. Gun stores in the area are reporting 8 to 10 times the guns being sold.

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[Senator Clay Davis]

^ As almost always, the NRA wins. Pretty much every time there is a tragedy involving guns, gun sales spike immediately afterwards.

[Clarkey]

Why does Obama feel the need to keep injecting himself into municipal affairs like this? All he's doing is riling people up and adding more steam to the looting/rioting.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

But there would go the evidence of the eye witness reports saying otherwise. And the only reason people came to the conclusion in the first place.

Too often it seems like there's nothing that would convince anyone to change their side. Of course this goes for every side of every single argument (doesn't matter the evidence you present you're going to have a young-Earth creationist tell you the world is 5000 years old).

In Trayvon Martin's case there could have been video of Martin nursing a kitten back to health before being brutally attacked and shot by Zimmerman and people would still have said Zimmerman was innocent by the time the trial was over. Likewise, you could have had video of Martin coming at Zimmerman, knocking him to the ground and slamming his head into the concrete floor unprovoked and people would still call him guilty...and white.

I'm just curious at what point or what evidence in this case would be required for the people who are so sure that the cop was a racist and/or corrupt murderer to second guess their original assumptions. If it isn't that Michael Brown had just committed a violent crime and the eye witness is lying/misremember, what is it?


I like to believe I'm "neutral" but because I wasn't willing to condemn the officer without all the facts I have a feeling many people will see me on the officer's side. But if the coroner report shows that Michael Brown was shot in the back at a distance, I'll likely be hopping on the cop-is-a-murderer bandwagon. So what will it take all those people who came in here calling for his head to change their minds?

zimmerman is innocent on the charges he was brought up on, if the state was smart and didn't fall into the race baiting that sharpton and company along with CNN and Nancy Grace his dumb ass would be in prison for a long time where he belongs.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

Why does Obama feel the need to keep injecting himself into municipal affairs like this? All he's doing is riling people up and adding more steam to the looting/rioting.

I swear the dude is trying to troll us sometimes.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

Why does Obama feel the need to keep injecting himself into municipal affairs like this? All he's doing is riling people up and adding more steam to the looting/rioting.

Because he's the president, and it's happening in his country?

It's a pretty major incident, not where to put a stop sign. Shrugging it off as a municipal affair is pretty odd.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

Why does Obama feel the need to keep injecting himself into municipal affairs like this? All he's doing is riling people up and adding more steam to the looting/rioting.

Originally Posted by PIMking

I swear the dude is trying to troll us sometimes.

Spoiler!

[llwhiteoutll]

People just need to wait until actual evidence is released. Eyewitness accounts are the most inaccurate and unreliable form of evidence in any proceedings since they have their own biases and agendas they are trying to advance.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Something that has bothered me this hole time about the new robbery story is why they would let the friend go?

If he and mike brown just did an alleged robbery why was he let go immediately? No charges no trip down to the station just free to go? Seems pretty damn strange.


You know why people that have guns civilians or not are just waiting for the opportunity to use it. They try to rationalize to them self it is in self defense.

Because the police aren't stupid. They have a lot of time to charge and arrest Johnson if they decide to later. But right now, even if they had a signed confession and a video, there would be riots and more people torching their own neighborhood if he was arrested.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

People just need to wait until actual evidence is released. Eyewitness accounts are the most inaccurate and unreliable form of evidence in any proceedings since they have their own biases and agendas they are trying to advance.

So multiple eyewitness accounts are unreliable (which I agree, eye witnesses often are) but the final report, based on the relaying of the story from the officer who shot the kid is totally reliable and should be accepted?

[Itse]

Did some rough calculations out of curiosity more than anything.

The US police shoot and kill something like 50+ times more people per year than their Finnish counterparts, relative to population. (It's a really rough estimation. Lot of variation in numbers from the US, and a really low number of incidents in Finland, only 2 since 2000.)

Then again, US police officers are also killed something like 20+ times as often.

Bang bang.

Of course the US is a big country, so the variance is huge.

(For those who wonder, Finland is a top 5 country in firearms per capita.)

[FLAMESRULE]

State of emergency and mandatory curfew mandated in Ferguson. This media address is an absolute gong show.

Media isn't allowed out (apparently) to report during curfew.

The Governor told people to go home and sleep instead of protesting. Refuses to answer why no charges against the officer.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Something that has bothered me this hole time about the new robbery story is why they would let the friend go?

In the actual video, to his friends credit, Michael Brown handed him the cigars and he puts them back on the shelves. He didn't seem to want to participate, especially because Michael Brown was not at all being sneaky about the whole thing.

That's the bigger question. If you're an extremely easy to identify giant who just got caught committing a robbery in broad daylight, why would you think it's a good idea to make a disturbance in the middle of the street and draw more attention to yourself? Something clearly doesn't add up with what Michael Brown was thinking.

Originally Posted by nik-

So multiple eyewitness accounts are unreliable (which I agree, eye witnesses often are) but the final report, based on the relaying of the story from the officer who shot the kid is totally reliable and should be accepted?

Has anyone actually said that nik-? As far as I can tell is most people are just saying to wait for all the evidence get out before labeling the cop a racist murderer.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Has anyone actually said that nik-? As far as I can tell is most people are just saying to wait for all the evidence get out before labeling the cop a racist murderer.

Yes, to me "wait for the report" comes across as wait until what the police say. There's a pretty high incentive for that cop to not relay the truth if he's in the wrong. Why is his word any greater than others? He's the one that killed someone. And for the record I didn't imply that the guy was racist. Probably just some ###### hopped up on being a cop.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yes, to me "wait for the report" comes across as wait until what the police say. There's a pretty high incentive for that cop to not relay the truth if he's in the wrong. Why is his word any greater than others? He's the one that killed someone. And for the record I didn't imply that the guy was racist. Probably just some ###### hopped up on being a cop.

We're talking about the coroner's report and the FBI investigation...

[nik-]

The coroner can determine where he was shot, but if it was short succession, I'm not sure how he could determine the order. Shot in the front first or shot in the back first how does he explain that when angle of entry could probably fit both scenarios.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by nik-

The coroner can determine where he was shot, but if it was short succession, I'm not sure how he could determine the order. Shot in the front first or shot in the back first how does he explain that when angle of entry could probably fit both scenarios.

It could collaborate the story, giving huge support of the eye witnesses account. It might not be able to tell the exact story, but it will be able to say if the eye witnesses reports are plausible. On the other hand it could disprove them completely - i.e. not shot in the back, not shot from a distance, etc.

Again, why not just wait for it to be released? It just seems so odd that people will jump to conclusions time after time when we know the real evidence comes out in the following investigations and trials. Yet people jumped on the "police execute 6'4'' gentle giant" and are sticking to that story regardless. Especially when the whole gentle giant thing has already been disproven.

[nik-]

What does it matter if we're not waiting for a report to be released to discuss it on an internet forum? It doesn't matter if the report is out or not ... we're talking about it here, not hanging people.