I work in a small town, my mom's entire family is from small towns through the mid/deep south--they've all been scary places. I feel safer in a big city than a small town every single time. Avoid the shady areas in a big city and you're generally fine. Small towns--you never know just what you're going to deal with. At least in a bigger city, if something happens to me, I know that there's a chance of justice being served. If something happens in a small town--no one might ever find out.
Let's be honest here: if Anonymous hadn't been involved, the Steubenville rapists never would've gone to trial. I know someone whose son has been accused of rape 3 times by 3 separate girls, in a small town outside of Pittsburgh--never charged with anything, never even spent a night in jail over it. Questioned twice and released. Big cities aren't perfect, but you're more likely to get away with a crime in a small town. Generally in a bigger city, there are more checks and balances in place than in a small town.
I'm not excusing the actions of the police force involved. I'm just saying that its ridiculous to stereotype every single small town in the US simply because you've had a bad experience. Cops protecting their own isn't something that JUST happens in small towns. And no I'm not stereotyping anyone when I say that Flash, but thanks for the driveby, again.
the police release the names of fugitives, suspects and persons of interest all the time.
Suddenly it's a cop though, woah buddy.
His name will be released when he is charged, and he will be charged, just like Zimmerman. No possible good can come from his name being released now, if people are tossing Molotov cocktails at regular cops imagine what they'd do to this guy. Even if the guy is 100% guilty he still has a right to face trial without people messing with him or his house or his family.
His name will be released when he is charged, and he will be charged, just like Zimmerman. No possible good can come from his name being released now, if people are tossing Molotov cocktails at regular cops imagine what they'd do to this guy. Even if the guy is 100% guilty he still has a right to face trial without people messing with him or his house or his family.
It wasn't a Molotov cocktail in the infamous picture of the guy in the American flag shirt. He was throwing a tear gas canister (or whatever it was that police threw in the first place) back at the police.
His name will be released when he is charged, and he will be charged, just like Zimmerman. No possible good can come from his name being released now, if people are tossing Molotov cocktails at regular cops imagine what they'd do to this guy. Even if the guy is 100% guilty he still has a right to face trial without people messing with him or his house or his family.
Cops? I thought they brought in recalled troops from iraq?
The cop in question and his family have the right to police protection if his name would be released. Obviously his life would suck if he name would be released publicly, but hey, that is what you get when you are involved in something like this.
The cop in question and his family have the right to police protection if his name would be released. Obviously his life would suck if he name would be released publicly, but hey, that is what you get when you are involved in something like this.
Usually the way you get police protection after shooting and killing someone is by being taken into custody.
His name will be released when he is charged, and he will be charged, just like Zimmerman. No possible good can come from his name being released now, if people are tossing Molotov cocktails at regular cops imagine what they'd do to this guy. Even if the guy is 100% guilty he still has a right to face trial without people messing with him or his house or his family.
You're wrong. Sure, he should have a trial like everyone else, but why shouldn't his name be released? Just because he's a cop and they're worried about potential street justice? If he was in prison (which he should be anyways) that wouldn't be an issue.
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Good old boys taking care of good old boys. Without dash cams to show the true story, it's all too easy for police to fudge the story enough to get out of any real punishment, regardless of how awful their actions were.
This is why small towns terrify me. When everyone knows everyone else, they're usually more than happy to take care of their own.
Small towns?? This is a small town in the same way that Bowness was a small town. Or like how New Westminster is a small town. Or Staten Island. Hull Quebec perhaps?
Look it up on Google Maps. This isn't a small town - it's a straight up suburb of one of the biggest cities in the United States (top 20 metropolitan areas, population 2.9 million)
Small towns?? This is a small town in the same way that Bowness was a small town. Or like how New Westminster is a small town. Or Staten Island. Hull Quebec perhaps?
Look it up on Google Maps. This isn't a small town - it's a straight up suburb of one of the biggest cities in the United States (top 20 metropolitan areas, population 2.9 million)
It was kind of meant as an aside with regards to the small town/police force and the way good old boys tend to take care of good old boys regardless of how heinous their actions might be, not necessarily referring to St. Louis as a small town.
Also, as for tonight--scene in Ferguson is dramatically different. Still many people marching and demonstrating--peacefully. Highway patrol and St. Louis County police in normal police attire (simple bulletproof vests, no riot gear, no tanks, no military-style weaponry), walking with the group, leading and keeping the situation under control peacefully and without aggression. It'll be interesting to see if the situation stays this way all night.
You're wrong. Sure, he should have a trial like everyone else, but why shouldn't his name be released? Just because he's a cop and they're worried about potential street justice? If he was in prison (which he should be anyways) that wouldn't be an issue.
His name shouldn't be released now because of the rioting and raw emotion present. Once again, his name will be released at some point. And yes, exactly because of street justice potential. He should be behind bars I agree but these murder cases that involve cops are usually treated as work incidents, I'd be surprised if any police officer that killed someone on duty was immediately detained.
Small towns?? This is a small town in the same way that Bowness was a small town. Or like how New Westminster is a small town. Or Staten Island. Hull Quebec perhaps?
Look it up on Google Maps. This isn't a small town - it's a straight up suburb of one of the biggest cities in the United States (top 20 metropolitan areas, population 2.9 million)
In terms of having their own police force, New Westminster is a small town. Now I've never heard anything negative (in fact I've seen one do something that was pretty cool) about their police but they would have a certain latitude to run things as they see fit, which is a small town privilege or not depending on your situation.
I guess if I was a cop with all these free toys, I'd be tempted to try them out as well. Time to take away some of these toys.
It was kind of meant as an aside with regards to the small town/police force and the way good old boys tend to take care of good old boys regardless of how heinous their actions might be, not necessarily referring to St. Louis as a small town.
As far as police forces go, I would argue that your theory holds true for all police forces, large and small and certainly doesn't hold more true for small forces.
Not sure how you can feel that way given the history of the LAPD and Chicago Police dept in particular.
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His name shouldn't be released now because of the rioting and raw emotion present. Once again, his name will be released at some point. And yes, exactly because of street justice potential. He should be behind bars I agree but these murder cases that involve cops are usually treated as work incidents, I'd be surprised if any police officer that killed someone on duty was immediately detained.
That, in and of itself, is a messed up priority.
If I kill someone at work, I don't go talk to WorkSafe about it first.
I understand the necessity to shield police officers from reprisal and street justice, but if we're going to start saying shooting someone is first a work related matter and a criminal matter second, that's one ####ED UP standard.
Honestly, say it out loud, "But these murder cases that involve cops are usually treated as work incidents".
That's something I'd read in the onion.
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The reality is small town police forces are almost always, both here and in the US, much less trained and professional, they arnt going to attract great candidates either as there are few promotional opportunities.
Combine that with an increasingly paranoid US in general and a ludicrously over armoured and para military police force and trouble will ensue.
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As far as police forces go, I would argue that your theory holds true for all police forces, large and small and certainly doesn't hold more true for small forces.
Not sure how you can feel that way given the history of the LAPD and Chicago Police dept in particular.
Depends on the context. I think you're right, I think police without stringent civilian oversight are a gang by any other name, and while the scummy seattle PD are probably just as likely to cover up for a dirty cop as the tuscaloosa or chicago PD, race, gender and social status probably shield you less from smaller town police forces. This is something I've experienced even here in the lower mainland, and it's what witty explained.
She feels pretty confident in a larger city. She's white, she's a woman, she doesn't feel like something negative in that capcity is going to happen to her without SOMEONE taking notice, which is reasonable.
In smaller communities, her social shields of class, gender and race don't protect her to nearly the same degree.
Sort of like how you can sign blacks up to vote in Oxford Mississippi and maybe be assaulted vs signing them up in Philadelphia Mississippi and getting murdered for it.
I know you're in the thick of things more or less there in Kansas, but I'd say what witty is describing is more prominent in the PA/Kentucky/Virginia/Carolinas than Kansas/Montana. Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe it's just a different variety.
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The reality is small town police forces are almost always, both here and in the US, much less trained and professional, they arnt going to attract great candidates either as there are few promotional opportunities.
Combine that with an increasingly paranoid US in general and a ludicrously over armoured and para military police force and trouble will ensue.
The militarization of the police force in the US is happening in big cities as well, and lots of cops don't get enough training for all the gear and equipment they are given. Lots of people in the media in the US have been saying this for years. It certainly isn't restricted to small towns, and the claim that small town cops will protect their own and therefore small towns are 'scary' to live in is just stereotyping all small towns based on personal experience. Hardly considered proper evidence.
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Depends on the context. I think you're right, I think police without stringent civilian oversight are a gang by any other name, and while the scummy seattle PD are probably just as likely to cover up for a dirty cop as the tuscaloosa or chicago PD, race, gender and social status probably shield you less from smaller town police forces. This is something I've experienced even here in the lower mainland, and it's what witty explained.
She feels pretty confident in a larger city. She's white, she's a woman, she doesn't feel like something negative in that capcity is going to happen to her without SOMEONE taking notice, which is reasonable.
In smaller communities, her social shields of class, gender and race don't protect her to nearly the same degree.
Sort of like how you can sign blacks up to vote in Oxford Mississippi and maybe be assaulted vs signing them up in Philadelphia Mississippi and getting murdered for it.
I know you're in the thick of things more or less there in Kansas, but I'd say what witty is describing is more prominent in the PA/Kentucky/Virginia/Carolinas than Kansas/Montana. Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe it's just a different variety.
No, I think that's a valid point. Especially with Montana. Kansas is a strange place.
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