Once again Israel shows it doesn't screw around

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Could you elaborate a bit on this? I don't understand what you are saying. One of the motives for the attacks on Israel are new settlements that are expanding Israel and shrinking what is left of Gaza. Isn't it fair to say that new settlements should immediately stop and people who continue to settle be prosecuted?

Israel is refusing to negotiate under the threat of missiles, which I think is fair. Israel also had multiple wars where Israel was not the aggressor and took over much of the region, and could have taken all of it. It did not want all of it, it just wanted safety. In exchange for peace, Israel gave back land it took. For example, Israel gave back Gaza to Egypt in exchange for peace.

Palestinian leaders have refused all offers at peace and deals...Israel basically has control and is developing land but will replace that land elsewhere. The clock is ticking though and Palestinians have nothing to show for their violence.

What do I think of settlements? They certainly do not help, but Israel is going to continue existing based on what it sees as the right choices, choices based on years of attacks. If negotiations began in good faith today (ignoring the Gaza violence), one of the first hurdles would be how to replace that land and how to create a legitimate Palestinian state in chunks, or swap more land to join it all together.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Huge stretch to think that's what I was suggesting, but it seems you are incapable of rational thought so I'm not suprised you'd start leveling that accusation. And I did state that Hamas and its supporters are perpetuating part of the violence. But if the latest stretch of Isreali attacks isn't "perpetuating voilence" as well, I guess I don't know what violence means. You simply can't ignore the numbers and the results.

In the case of the Israeli military force required to deal with the threat of Hamas, it has to be controlled and measured as an appropriate response to the threat they face. I don't see any way that racking up the deathtoll of Palestinian civilians helps Israel in any way. The Palestinian people need help...and who right now is helping them? Stephen Harper? Barack Obama? They are naturally going to turn to the only group that seems to recognize their plight and offers some form of resistance. The more they get bombarded the more anti-Israel sentiment will grow. Violence perpetuates violence.

Amazing, I said that those who support Hamas are perpetuating the violence. You had a problem with that comment? I am incapable? I am simply responding to exactly what you posted.

Oh I see again, the old 'appropriate response' attack against Israel. Why don't you go have a look next door at Syria for appropriate response, how many died there? Israel is stopping an enemy from attacking it. Who is helping Palestinians? The IDF is. As unfortunate as that is. If Israel is successful and Hamas is gone, these people can prove to the world they can live in Peace.

Have a look not too far away at the contrast in the West Bank.

[_Q_]

^^ have a look at what? Land and water theft? Separation walls? Humiliating checkpoints?

Yeah.... The people in the West Bank have it real good.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by _Q_

^^ have a look at what? Land and water theft? Separation walls? Humiliating checkpoints?

Yeah.... The people in the West Bank have it real good.

To be fair, Israel hasn't blocked the sun for the West Bank residents so they should be thankful for the great life they have.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Why don't you go have a look next door at Syria for appropriate response, how many died there? Israel is stopping an enemy from attacking it. Who is helping Palestinians? The IDF is. As unfortunate as that is. If Israel is successful and Hamas is gone, these people can prove to the world they can live in Peace.



Have a look not too far away at the contrast in the West Bank.

I don't know if you bringing up comparable like Syria is helping the pro-Israel cause at this point.

It would be unwise to perpetuate the myth that the IDF is helping Palestinians. The IDF is obliterating Palestinians and offering what can be best described as superficial aid in comparison to the damage they are doing. The UN and humanitarian aid groups are helping Palestinians, no one else. Hamas was, until their resources were cut. Now they focus on those who cut their resources, which makes things harder for civilians. Neither IDF nor Hamas do anything for these people.

The notion that the elimination of Hamas will lead to peace and a chance for the Palestinian people to "prove" themselves is almost offensive. Not only does it seek to maintain the potentially hateful rhetoric that this is the fault of the Palestinian people, or that they are responsible, but it completely ignores the long history of this conflict. With Hamas gone, Israel will tighten their grip, continue settling, and cause more hate and resistance by the Palestinian people as their freedoms are eroded further.

The existence of Hamas is irrelevant in this conflict. I'm not sure why that isn't completely obvious. If they stop, Israel has multiple things they must stop before peace can even be considered.

This isn't ending soon. Even if Hamas is eliminated. Your solutions aren't solutions for the Palestinian people, because it ignores all of their interests. Your solutions are solely for Israel. That's fine, but present them as such.

The West Bank serves as a terrible example for what you're proposing.

This is what it looks like, is this what Gaza would be best served becoming?
https://news.vice.com/article/in-pho...st-in-a-decade

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

To be fair, Israel hasn't blocked the sun for the West Bank residents so they should be thankful for the great life they have.

Yeah and apparently they have it better than all their Arab brothers. Places like Dubai, Doha, Abu Dhabi, Beirut, Amman, Aqaba and others make Qalqilya and Ramallah look like Vienna.

And even though they don't get any rights in the only democracy in the region (except for Lebanon, Turkey and Cyprus by the way) they need to be happy that they're occupied by such a fair and caring regime. Remember, it's much better to occupied by Israel than to have silly things like protection of land and water rights, freedom of movement and reasonable access to employment.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Yeah and apparently they have it better than all their Arab brothers. Places like Dubai, Doha, Abu Dhabi, Beirut, Amman, Aqaba and others make Qalqilya and Ramallah look like Vienna.

And even though they don't get any rights in the only democracy in the region (except for Lebanon, Turkey and Cyprus by the way) they need to be happy that they're occupied by such a fair and caring regime. Remember, it's much better to occupied by Israel than to have silly things like protection of land and water rights, freedom of movement and reasonable access to employment.

Now now, there's no need to bring up minor issues like occupation, water, and land rights. Just keep repeating hamas and rockets and you'll be fine.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Now now, there's no need to bring up minor issues like occupation, water, and land rights. Just keep repeating hamas and rockets and you'll be fine.

Sadly the media is on this as well. Whenever Israel is questioned they just automatically point to "human shields" and "rockets in schools" like it somehow makes it ok to kill 20 innocent people to get rid of 10 rockets whose success rate is somewhere like 0.0111 percent.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Sadly the media is on this as well. Whenever Israel is questioned they just automatically point to "human shields" and "rockets in schools" like it somehow makes it ok to kill 20 innocent people to get rid of 10 rockets whose success rate is somewhere like 0.0111 percent.

I also question what Israel considers a legitimate target. Are they destroying entire buildings because someone inside the building has an AK-47? Do they consider any man between the ages of 15 and 65 a militant? Because Israel's current militant body count number of 335 doesn't match the 181 that the UN claims.

[_Q_]

Edit: never mind that's an old article

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Edit: never mind that's an old article

Sounds like he was prosecuted for murder.

What happens to a Hamas soldier who murders an Israeli child?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

Sounds like he was prosecuted for murder.

What happens to a Hamas soldier who murders an Israeli child?

I don't know... When was the last time a Hamas soldier purposefully stalked an Israeli child to murder him?

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I don't know... When was the last time a Hamas soldier purposefully stalked an Israeli child to murder him?

I'm not sure. Isn't it Hamas' stated charter goal to eradicate all Israelis including women and children? I don't think there are any articles about Hamas' prosecuting soldiers for murder like there is from Israel... do you know of any?

[Flash Walken]

This is what terrorism looks like:

[Zevo]

Actually, this is what terrorism looks like.

August 28, 2011 -- Eight people were wounded when a Palestinian man from Nablus attacked a Tel Aviv nightclub. The terrorist hijacked a taxi in Jaffa and rammed into an Israel Border Police checkpoint that had been set up to protect the event of over 2,000 people. He then jumped out of the taxi, shouted “Allahu Akhbar” and began stabbing bystanders and police.
August 18, 2011 -- A series of attacks targeted civilians in soldiers in southern Israel, killing eight people and wounding at least 31. Terrorists from Gaza infiltrated Israel via the border with Egypt, and fired on a civilian busses and vehicles, detonated explosives when IDF soldiers arrived on the scene of the attack, and then launched mortar shells at soldiers along the Israeli-Egyptian border.
April 7, 2011 – An anti-tank missile fired from Gaza at a clearly-marked yellow Israeli school bus driving near the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council wounded an Israeli teenager and the bus driver. The boy, 16-year-old Daniel Viflic, later died from his wounds in the hospital.
March 11, 2011 – Five Israelis, all members of the same family, were stabbed to death in their beds by two men, both believed to be Palestinian. The victims included father and mother Ehud and Ruth Fogel, and three of their six children, Yoav, 11, Elad, 4, and three-month-old Hadas. The brutal murders, which occurred in Itamar, drew international condemnation from governments, the United Nations and the Middle East Quartet of nations.
September 1, 2010: Two Israelis were wounded, one seriously, when Hamas terrorists ambushed their car as as the couple was driving near Kochav Hashachar.
August 31, 2010: Four Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were murdered when terrorists ambushed their car as they were driving near Kiryat Arba in the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which coincided with the restarting of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks in Washington, D.C.
July 22, 2008: Sixteen people were wounded when a man drove a bulldozer into a bus and four other vehicles in central Jerusalem. The attack was an attempted copycat of an earlier attack on Jerusalem’s Jaffa Road on July 2, 2008. The terrorist was shot dead by police.
July 2, 2008: An Arab resident of Jerusalem deliberately drove a bulldozer into pedestrians and vehicles in central Jerusalem, overturning and flattening a number of buses and cars. Three people were killed and 66 injured in the attack.
April 9, 2008: Two Israeli civilians were killed and two wounded when Palestinian terrorists attacked an Israeli-controlled border crossing where fuel is piped into Gaza. The attack at the Nahal Oz depot was carried out by members of various terrorist movements, including the Popular Resistance Committees.
March 6, 2008: Eight men, seven of them teenagers, were killed when a Palestinian gunman entered the Merkaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem and opened fire. The terrorist also wounded nine in the attack before he was killed at the scene.
February 4, 2008: A 73-year-old woman was killed and 40 people were wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up in a shopping center in the southern city of Dimona. A second bomber was shot by a police officer who noticed him reaching for his explosive belt. Both Hamas’ armed wing, Izaddin Kassam, and Fatah's armed wing, the Aksa Martyrs Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.
January 24, 2008: Two terrorists entered the Mekor Hayim High School Yeshiva in Kfar Etzion, south of Jerusalem, and stabbed two students. The terrorists were killed by two of the counselors in the room. The Izaddin al-Kassam's Martyrs Brigades, the Hamas military wing, claimed responsibility for the attack.
January 24, 2008: Rami Zoari, 20, from Beersheba, a border police officer, was killed and another female officer was seriously wounded after terrorists approached the entrance to Shuafat refugee camp in northern Jerusalem and opened fire on a group of Israelis. The Battalions of Struggle and Return, a previously anonymous offshoot of Fatah's Al Aksa Martyrs' Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.
December 28, 2007: Two Israelis were killed by Palestinian terrorists while hiking outside of Hebron. A third hiker managed to escape.
January 29, 2007: Three people were killed in a suicide bombing in a bakery in Eilat, the first suicide bombing in the city. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 25, 2006: Eliahu Asheri, 18, of Itamar, was kidnapped by Palestinian terrorists from the Popular Resistance Committees while hitchhiking from Betar Illit, southwest of Bethlehem, to Neveh Tzuf, where he was studying. His body was found on June 29 in Ramallah. Israeli Authorities believe Asheri was murdered by his captors shortly after his kidnapping.
April 17, 2006: Nine people were killed and at least 40 wounded in a suicide bombing near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. The blast ripped through Falafel Rosh Ha'ir, the same restaurant that was hit by an attack on January 19. The Islamic Jihad and Fatah’s Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack. The Hamas led PA government defended the suicide bombing, calling it an act of "self-defense." Hamas official spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri called the attack "a natural result of the continued Israeli crimes against our people".
March 30, 2006: Four people were killed in a suicide bombing outside Kedumim in the northern West Bank. The Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades took responsibility for the attack.
January 19, 2006: At least 30 people were injured in a suicide bombing near the old central bus station in southern Tel Aviv. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
December 29, 2005: Three people were killed - two Palestinian civilians and an Israeli soldier - in a suicide bombing at a checkpoint near Tulkarm. The suicide bomber was apparently planning to target one of the many children's events taking place in Tel Aviv for the Hanukkah holiday, but was stopped at the checkpoint. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
December 5, 2005: Five people were killed and more than 50 others injured in a suicide bombing at the entrance of a shopping mall in Netanya. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
October 26, 2005: Six people were killed and 55 wounded in a suicide bombing in an outdoor market in the town of Hadera. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
October 16, 2005: Palestinian gunmen killed three Israelis and wounded as least 5 others in two separate drive-by shootings in the West Bank. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for both attacks.
August 28, 2005: A suicide bombing outside the Central Bus Station in Beersheba severly injured two security guards who stopped the bomber from entering the bus station. Islamic Jihad and Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
August 4, 2005: An AWOL Israeli soldier killed four Israeli Arabs and wounded 12 on a bus in town of Shfaram. The shooter was killed by a mob that boarded the bus after the shooting.
July 23, 2005: Two people were killed and three others wounded in a drive-by shooting near the Kissufim crossing in the Gaza Strip. Islamic Jihad and Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
July 12, 2005: Five people were killed and 90 wounded in a suicide bombing outside of a shopping mall in Netanya. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 24, 2005: Two teenagers were killed and three others wounded in a drive-by shooting near Hebron. The Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility for the attack.
February 25, 2005: Five Israelis were killed and 50 other civilians were wounded in a suicide bombing outside a Tel Aviv nightclub. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
January 13, 2005: Six Israelis were killed and five other civilians were wounded in a double suicide bombing at the Karni crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip. The two suicide bombers used a very large explosive device to blast through a defensive wall that separates the Israeli and Palestinian sides at the crossing. Following the blast, the bombers crossed into the Israeli side, carrying explosives on their bodies, which they detonated. Hamas and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed joint responsiblity for the attack.
January 4, 2005: Two adults were lightly injured when a mortar shell, fired from Gaza Strip, hit a school bus near Nissanit. None of the children were wounded.
December 15, 2004: Five motorists, an officer, three soldiers and a civilian were wounded from gunshots fired by a terrorist at Israeli vehicles on the Kissufim road in the Gaza Strip. Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Fatah claimed joint responsibility for the attack.
November 1, 2004: Three people were killed when a suicide bomber exploded in Tel Aviv’s busy Carmel market. At least 32 were wounded. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility.
September 22, 2004: Two police were killed and at least sixteen people were injured when a suicide bomber detonated a bag packed with explosives at a crowded bus stop in the French Hill neighborhood of Jerusalem. The Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigade, affiliated with Yasir Arafat’s Fatah, claimed responsibility. The slain police had stopped the 18-year old woman, Zainab Abu Salem from the Askar refugee camp near the West Bank city of Nablus, from approaching the bus stop, and she detonated the explosives.
August 31, 2004: Sixteen people, including a 3 year old, were killed and about 100 injured when two buses in Beersheba were attacked within minutes of each other by suicide bombers. Hamas claimed responsibility.
July 11, 2004: One woman was killed and 32 people were injured when a bomb exploded next to a Tel Aviv bus stop. Fatah’s El-Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 28, 2004: A Kassam rocket fired by Hamas terrorists in the Gaza Strip struck near a nursery school in the northern Negev town of Sderot, killing an Israeli man and a 4-year old Israeli child.
May 2, 2004: An Israeli woman, in her eighth month of pregnancy, was shot dead along with her four daughters when two Palestinian terrorists fired on their car at the entrance to the Gaza Strip settlement bloc of Gush Katif. After the car spun off the road after the initial attack, the terrorists approached the vehicle and shot the occupants at close range. Fatah and Islamic Jihad claimed joint responsibility for the attack.
March 14, 2004: Ten people were killed and 16 wounded in a double suicide bombing in the area of the Ashdod Port. Hamas and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.
February 22, 2004: A suicide bomber attacked a bus in the center of Jerusalem, killing 8 people and wounding 70. The Palestinian terrorist group Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
January 29, 2004: A suicide bomber attacked a bus in Jerusalem's Rehavia neighborhood, killing 11 people and wounding 50. The Palestinian terrorist group Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.
January 14, 2004: A female suicide bomber killed four people and wounded 20 at the Erez Crossing in the Gaza Strip. Hamas and the Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
January 13, 2004: An Israeli motorist was shot dead and three of his passengers were wounded when their car was fired upon by Palestinian terrorists near Talmon, west of Ramallah. The Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
December 25, 2003: A suicide bomber killed four people and wounded more than 20 in an explosion near a bus stop at Geha Junction in Petah Tikvah, a suburb of Tel Aviv. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility.
October 15, 2003: Three Americans were killed and one wounded at the Beit Hanoun junction in the Gaza Strip when a massive bomb demolished an armor-plated jeep in a convoy carrying U.S. diplomats and CIA personnel. Both the militant Islamic Jihad and Hamas movements denied responsibility for the attack.
October 4, 2003: Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing at the Maxim restaurant in Haifa killing 20 people and wounding more than 60.
September 26, 2003: Eyal Yeberbaum, 27, and 7-month old infant Shaked Avraham were shot dead by a Palestinian terrorist who knocked on the door of a home in Negohot, south of Hebron, during a celebratory Jewish New Year holiday dinner. Islamic Jihad took responsibility for the attack.
September 9, 2003: Hamas claimed responsibility for two suicide bombings, the first at an entrance to the Tzrifin army base near Rishon Lezion and the second at Café Hillel in the German colony neighborhood of Jerusalem, which killed a total of 15 people and wounded at least 80.
August 19, 2003: Hamas and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing of a bus in Jerusalem killing at least 18 people and wounding nearly 100.
August 12, 2003: Suicide bombers killed two Israelis and wounded more than a dozen people in two attacks within a half hour of each other, one at a shopping mall in the Tel Aviv suburb of Rosh Ha’ayin and the other at the entrance of the West Bank town of Ariel. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility for the Rosh Ha’ayin bombing and Hamas claimed to have carried out the Ariel attack.
July 7, 2003: Mazal Afari, 65, of Moshav Kfar Yavetz was killed in her home and three of her grandchildren lightly wounded in a suicide bombing. The Jenin-based cell of Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 20, 2003: An Israeli motorist was shot dead and three of his passengers were wounded when their car was fired upon by Palestinian terrorists near Ofra, north of Ramallah. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 19, 2003: A suicide bombing in a grocery store in Sede Terumot in northeastern Israel, south of Beit Shean, killed the owner of the store. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
June 17, 2003: A shooting attack near the Kibbutz Eyal junction of the Trans-Israel Highway killed a 7-year-old girl and wounded three members of her family, including her 3-year-old sister. The Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility.
June 11, 2003: Sixteen people were killed and more than 80 wounded when a suicide bomber blew up a Jerusalem city bus during the afternoon rush hour. The bomber was disguised as an ultra-orthodox Jew. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
May 19, 2003: A suicide bomber attacked the Shaarei Amakim shopping center in Afula, in northern Israel, killing at least four and wounding 15. Islamic Jihad and Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility.
May 19, 2003: A Palestinian suicide bomber on a bicycle attacked an Israeli checkpoint on the Gaza Strip, wounding three Israeli soldiers. Hamas claimed responsibility.
May 18, 2003: Seven people were killed and more than 20 wounded when a suicide bomber blew up a Jerusalem city bus at the start of the Israeli work week. The bomber was disguised as an ultra-orthodox Jew. Soon after, a suicide bomber carrying explosives and dressed in the garb of an ultra-orthodox Jew was stopped at a roadblock. The Palestinian detonated his explosives, killing only himself. Hamas claimed responsibility in both attacks.

etc,etc...

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I don't know... When was the last time a Hamas soldier purposefully stalked an Israeli child to murder him?

First one I found, just look up for more examples.


April 7, 2011 – An anti-tank missile fired from Gaza at a clearly-marked yellow Israeli school bus driving near the Sha’ar Hanegev Regional Council wounded an Israeli teenager and the bus driver. The boy, 16-year-old Daniel Viflic, later died from his wounds in the hospital.

[Zevo]

Thwarted terror attacks in one year.

September 26, 2002 -- Soldiers opened fire on an armed terrorist near the security road surrounding Elei Sinai in the northern Gaza Strip. The terrorist was carrying a Kalashnikov assault rifle, ammunition clips and grenades.
September 18, 2002 -- An IDF reserve force encountered fire while attempting to stop a suspicious vehicle near Kfar Tamun, east of Jenin. Two men inside the vehicle refused to stop when ordered, and opened fire. The reservists returned fire, killing one man and injuring the second. The men were carrying Kalashnikov assault rifles.
September 9, 2002 -- Israeli soldiers opened fire on two Palestinian men carrying bags near Suffa Passage along the border between the Gaza Strip and Israel. The shooting triggered a bomb in one of the bags to explode. Both terrorists were killed in the explosion.
September 5, 2002 -- Israeli soldiers thwarted a plan to carry out a suicide attack in Israel on the eve of Rosh Hashana. In the Balata refugee camp near Nablus, soldiers from the Nahal commando unit arrested three members of Hamas, including two who had planned to carry out the attack. Shots were fired at the soldiers, but there were no injuries. Additionally, two terrorists were arrested in Jama'in near Ariel.
September 4, 2002 - Border police thwarted an attempted car bombing near Pardes Hanna. Northern District Police Cmdr. Yaakov Borowsky said a large-scale terror attack was thwarted after police at a roadblock ordered two suspicious vehicles to stop. The men continued driving, eventually abandoning the vehicles and fleeing on foot. The 600-kilogram bomb was detonated in a controlled manner. The huge bomb was found in one of the vehicles, connected to a cell phone.
August 26, 2002 - Soldiers arrested a Palestinian planning to perpetrate a suicide bombing, along with his two dispatchers, in Mirka, south of Jenin.
August 25, 2002 - Soldiers spotted a number of terrorists approaching Kfar Dorom. In an exchange of gunfire, one terrorist was killed and the other was mortally wounded. The terrorists were members of the Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades.
August 22, 2002 - Security forces were able to thwart an attempt to infiltrate two car bombs across the border between the West Bank and Israel.
August 19 2002 - Soldiers safely detonated a 10-kilogram bomb found in the Hebron neighborhood of Wadi al-Ariya.
August 18, 2002 - Soldiers shot dead two armed Palestinians who were crawling toward the fence around the Gaza Strip, apparently planning to attack soldiers or infiltrate into Israel. The two men were carrying a large bomb that could have caused many casualties
August 11, 2002 - Soldiers killed a terrorist who was en route to carry out a terrorist attack on a kibbutz near Gaza. Israeli troops spotted the heavily armed gunmen, a member of Hamas, cutting through the security fence. They opened fire, detonating the explosive belt he had strapped to his body.
August 8, 2002 - Jordanian security forces captured a Palestinian terrorist in a car close to the Israeli border and were searching for four others who had tried to infiltrate Israel.
August 7, 2002 - In the Negev, Israeli authorities arrested a suspect who they said intended to carry out an attack against Israel. The suspect had planted a bomb packed with ball bearings near the Gush Etzion-Jerusalem tunnel.
August 7, 2002 - Security forces arrested an Egyptian citizen who infiltrated Israel with a backpack containing an automatic weapon and ammunition.
August 6, 2002 - Soldiers on patrol encountered a group of five Palestinians near Qalqiliya in the West Bank. The terrorists ran off when they spotted the soldiers, leaving behind a large bag containing automatic rifles, hand grenades and a pistol.
August 6, 2002 - A would-be terrorist was reportedly en route to carry out an attack in Afula when the bomb exploded in a taxicab. The bomber was killed and the Israeli Arab driver was badly wounded.
August 5, 2002 - In Tulkarm, border policemen killed a terrorist who planned to carry out an attack in Israel.
July 31, 2002 - Security forces intercepted a would-be female suicide bomber and her Fatah operator.
July 31, 2002 - Acting on information supplied by the General Security Service, IDF forces discovered a large explosives factory in the Palestinian Legislative Council building in Jenin. After evacuating nearby residents, the IDF troops demolished the building, which housed more than 300 kilograms of explosives.
July 29, 2002 - IDF troops in the northern Gaza Strip discovered five anti-tank rocket launchers that were aimed at the settlement Nisanit. Near the launcher they found a booby-trapped mannequin that was meant to attract soldiers and then kill them. During a sweep of the area, soldiers also discovered a 50-kilogram roadside anti-tank bomb, a 10- kilogram anti-personnel land mine, an 82 mm mortar shell and a booby-trapped RPG launcher that had a gas balloon attached to it. Four additional anti-tank rockets were found in later searches of the area. The explosive devices were successfully neutralized.
July 28, 2002 - Ali Yamin Samoudi was arrested by Israeli security forces in the village of Wadi Burkin near Jenin. During questioning, Samoudi admitted that he was planning on perpetuating a suicide terror attack in Israel.
July 28, 2002 - Hamed Mohammed Hamed, a 22 year-old Palestinian man, was arrested in the village of Kalil. During the arrest, Israeli security forces seized an explosive belt that Hamed had intended to use to blow himself up at Joseph's Tomb.
July 28, 2002 - IDF forces arrested Mohammed Subhi Abu Tabih, a senior Islamic Jihad activist, who had planned to dispatch a car bomb and suicide bomber to Israel. Three of Abu Tabih's accomplices were arrested with him, and it is believed that one of the men may have been the suicide bomber.
July 27, 2002 - In a search of the Palestinian village Yatta following a fatal terrorist attack, IDF forces discovered illegal guns, knives, a homemade bomb and large amounts of ammunition in the village's Palestinian police station.
July 27, 2002 - IDF and GSS forces arrested Umaya Mohammed Danaj, a 28 year-old Palestinian woman who was on her way to carry out a suicide bombing in Israel.
July 26, 2002 - IDF forces demolished three factories in Gaza City that had been manufacturing Kassam missiles. In the course of their demolition, the soldiers discovered and destroyed twenty-two lathes that are used to make missiles.
July 23, 2002 - IDF forces apprehended Hisam Jaber, an Islamic Jihad member who attempted to orchestrate three suicide attacks in Israel. At the same time, another would-be suicide bomber and a woman who planned to help transport the terrorists into Israel were also arrested.
July 23, 2002 - Israeli police discovered an explosive device in a wooded area in Tel Aviv. The police detonated the device, believed to be a mortar shell.
July 22, 2002 - Two IDF soldiers patrolling in northern Gush Katif were injured when they fired at two heavily armed Arabs who were making their way to Tel Katifa. The terrorists were killed.
July 21, 2002 - IDF forces arrested three members of the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of Palestine who they believed were planning to carry out a large-scale terror attack in the form of a suicide bombing inside Israel.
July 19, 2002 - A terrorist attack was thwarted near the Karni Checkpoint in the Gaza Strip by IDF soldiers who located a suspicious object along the side of the road. Upon investigation, the package was found to contain a powerful bomb, which was detonated successfully.
July 16, 2002 - An explosive device was found near the Arab village of Sinjel, near Shilo.
July 16, 2002 - IDF soldiers discovered an 80-kilogram bomb near Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip. An IDF bomb squad safely detonated the device.
July 15, 2002 - A terrorist attempted to stab an Israeli border policeman near Nablus. No injuries were reported.
July 13, 2002 - IDF reservists prevented a large-scale bomb attack after stopping a suspicious car that was headed towards Kalkilya. The car contained four bombs, three gas canisters and three containers of nails, bolts and other sharp metal objects.
July 13, 2002 - Israeli border police arrested a 22 year-old Palestinian from Nablus outside Umm el-Fahm after he had infiltrated the Green Line dressed in an IDF uniform and bearing a Kalashnikov assault rifle and a bomb belt. It is believed that the man was attempting to carry out a suicide attack in Afula.
July 11, 2002 - IDF forces arrested ten Palestinians in Assira Ashmaliya, near Nablus. Two of the arrested men planned suicide attacks, six participated in a shooting attack in Samaria, and one had planned to dispatch a suicide bomber.
July 11, 2002 - Several bombs were found in Gaza, including two very large bombs that weighed a total of 120 kilograms.
July 9, 2002 - Israeli security forces arrested a 15-year-old Palestinian girl who admitted to agreeing to carry out a suicide attack in Israel. The teen-ager was released shortly thereafter.
July 8, 2002 - IDF soldiers blew up a house in the Nablus quarter of Rafidiyeh after discovering a bomb factory that contained three bombs ready to explode. Three suspected terrorists were arrested at the site.
July 8, 2002 - Border police arrested a suspected terrorist near the A-ram checkpoint in Jerusalem. Security officials were on high alert after receiving warnings about two attacks being planned in Israel.
July 7, 2002 - A triple-barrel anti-tank rocket launcher was found in Gaza. A similar launcher was found in Netzarim.
July 7, 2002 - Five Arabs planning suicide attacks were apprehended on July 5, 2002. Shortly thereafter soldiers also discovered and destroyed bomb-making factories in Ramallah and Nablus. The bomb factory in Nablus was housed in the Juneis prison. 300 pipe bombs and 20 gas canisters were found inside.
July 4, 2002 - Three armed Palestinians attempted to enter the West Bank settlement of Mevo Datan. They fled after being spotted by Israeli security forces.
July 3, 2002 - A pipe bomb was successfully detonated at the Peroit Junction near Kalkilya. No injuries were reported.
July 2, 2002 - Osama Salahat, a member of the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization, was arrested by the IDF in Yatta, south of Hebron. He was planning on carrying out a suicide attack in Israel.
July 2, 2002 - IDF soldiers arrested a terrorist in Rafidya, near Nablus, who was planning a suicide bombing in Israel.
July 2, 2002 - Four heavily armed Arabs were caught by Israeli security forces when they attempted to infiltrate the northern Gaza town of Elei Sinai. Two terrorists were captured, and two fled to an autonomous Palestinian Authority territory. Under interrogation, the two captured terrorists admitted to planning a suicide attack in Nativ HaAsarah, an area north of the Gaza Strip.
July 1, 2002 - Israeli police detonated a large bomb in Jerusalem's Givat Ze'ev neighborhood. The bomb was found on June 28 by Jerusalem police, and was carefully monitored for two days, in the hopes that the terrorist would return.
June 26, 2002 - While searching Palestinian security organizations in Hebron, IDF soldiers discovered nearly 100 bombs, dozens of pipe bombs and a significant amount of guns and other weaponry. Israeli officials announced that such findings are a clear link between the Palestinian Authority and Palestinian terror organizations.
June 25, 2002 - As the IDF entered Hebron, they found a bomb factory in the home of a Hamas activist, as well as two bomb belts ready to be deployed, one large bomb and other explosives. The house was demolished.
June 24, 2002 - IDF forces discovered two armed anti-tank missile launchers ready to be launched in a field near the Karni Netzarim road. The missiles were aimed at civilians and an IDF outpost.
June 24, 2002 - Israeli police captured five Palestinian terrorists, including a suicide bomber on his way to perpetuate an attack in Bet Shemesh. Security officials believe the men intended to blow up a warehouse in Kfar Zecharia that reportedly contains Jericho ballistic missiles and other sophisticated weaponry, but that they abandoned their plan after they realized they would be stopped by policemen.
June 23, 2002 - IDF forces destroyed a building near Jenin that was found to house a workshop for the production of explosives, explosive belts, and empty Kassam rocket components.
June 21, 2002 - Border police prevented an attempted terror attack near the Erez checkpoint in the Gaza Strip, shooting and killing an armed terrorist as he attempted to throw grenades at a station filled with workers.
June 21, 2002 - A bomb was detonated on a road between Kiryat Arba and Hebron in an attempted attack on worshippers returning from Friday night prayers at the Machpela Caves. One person was lightly injured, and an IDF vehicle was damaged.
June 19 - IDF soldiers killed a Palestinian armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifle and ammunition clips as he attempted to attack a high school yeshiva in Kiryat Arba.
June 17 - A suicide terrorist detonated his bomb when approached for questioning by IDF soldiers near Zemer. The bomber was thought to be one of the five that the Israeli security forces had been pursuing.
June 17 - Police dismantled a grenade attached to an ammonia truck outside of the Tnuva Dairy in Holon. According to Mickey Levy, the Commander in Chief of the Jerusalem Police Force, three suicide-bombing attempts were averted in Jerusalem within the past 6 weeks. Two terrorists were captured in Jerusalem, and one was apprehended near a Bethlehem checkpoint.
June 17 - A Palestinian man detonated a bomb in an area north of Tulkarem, killing himself and lightly damaging a police jeep.
June 17 - IDF forces located and detonated a car bomb planted outside of Jenin.
June 15 - Israeli security forces thwarted a large-scale terror attack after spotting a car filled with 180 kilograms of explosives, mortars and launchers. An IDF tank destroyed the car with shell and machine-gun fire.
June 15 - A suspicious car close to the perimeter fence in the Northern Gaza Strip was blown up by IDF sappers after it was found to contain two rocket launchers and four mortar bombs.
June 14 - Israeli security forces successfully apprehended two female would-be suicide terrorists, who were attempting to carry out terror attacks. A fifteen-year-old girl was arrested in El-Khader near Bethlehem as she attempted to throw a firebomb at IDF soldiers. The other, a 23 year-old Palestinian teacher was arrested near Gush Etzion on suspicion of planning a terrorist attack in Israel. IDF forces continue to look for five other suspects whom they believe are planning terrorist attacks in Israel.
June 14 - Army sappers diffused a 40-kilogram bomb that had been planted near Dugit.
June 13, 2002 - A 15-year-old Palestinian girl was apprehended after throwing a firebomb at IDF forces in Bethlehem. During interrogation, the girl admitted that she had previously been recruited as a suicide terrorist.
June 12, 2002 - IDF forces in Ramallah discovered a booby-trapped car. Explosive charges were also discovered in a building that houses Yasir Arafat's personal security guards, the Force 17.
June 12, 2002 - IDF soldiers blew up a car containing a 150-kilogram bomb and two mortars near Elei Sinai in the Gaza Strip. Security officials believe that terrorists had planned to fire the mortars and detonate the bomb when soldiers arrived on the scene.
June 11, 2002 - IDF soldiers discovered ten pipe bombs in a building in Ramallah. All were safely detonated.
June 11, 2002 - A Palestinian terrorist was killed at the Karni checkpoint in Gaza when his bomb detonated prematurely.
June 10 - Three explosive devices were found on the border between Lebanon and Israel, in the area of Shaaba Farms.
June 10, 2002 - IDF soldiers captured two cars rigged with bombs, tens of kilograms of TATP explosive charges, Israeli ID cards, and documents connecting the explosives to members of the Palestinian Authority.
June 10, 2002 - While checking a suspicious ambulance at the Gush Katif junction, IDF soldiers found a Palestinian terrorist inside. The ambulance was found to contain no medical personnel or injured people inside.

[Daradon]

Ok, I've stayed quite on this issue for nearly the whole thread other than some clarifying comments and questions, but I'm horrible disgusted by this last round of attacks by Israel. One could argue it was already to the point of criminal behavior before this, but now I believe there can be no debate. They need to rein it in immediately, and I'm embarrassed Canada seems to have taken a side in this affair.

[_Q_]

Those are some long lists Zevo, but I'm sure the list of Palestinian civilians killed by Israel for this war alone is much longer that both those lists combined.

[Senator Clay Davis]

A 3 day ceasefire was agreed to and broken within about 2 hours. With an IDF soldier having been abducted you can pretty much say goodbye to any chance of this ending soon. Israel will likely respond very harshly.