Dogs offend Muslims now

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I actually feel a little bad for Sliver on this one. I don't think it's unreasonable to not want a dog in your bed. I'm fine with it, I just wouldn't do the sleeping thing cause I think part of training a dog well and making sure you don't have bigger problems later is boundaries. But I have known dog owners, who love their animals very much, who don't want them in their bed cause they feel it's unsanitary.

It may not be 100% logical, but it's not unreasonable to feel that way.

Thanks man.

I'll bow out of this one, though, guys. My comments were distracting and I probably should have kept them to myself.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Sliver

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I'll bow out of this one, though, guys. My comments were distracting and I probably should have kept them to myself.

No, please don't! This thread development was much more interesting than the one OP had intended.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I actually feel a little bad for Sliver on this one. I don't think it's unreasonable to not want a dog in your bed. I'm fine with it, I just wouldn't do the sleeping thing cause I think part of training a dog well and making sure you don't have bigger problems later is boundaries. But I have known dog owners, who love their animals very much, who don't want them in their bed cause they feel it's unsanitary.

It may not be 100% logical, but it's not unreasonable to feel that way.

I think there are a couple factors at play here:

A) Sliver's obvious history with dogs.
B) The stomach turning comment.

Of course the dog is unsanitary. But stomach turning? Just the idea making you physically sick? Come on man. There are people walking around that do a lot worse than share a bed with their dog. Unclean is fine, it is. But don't pretend that you yourself are not "unclean" no matter how much you shower, or that it's anymore "unclean" than walking barefoot through grass, or really through your own house (unless you bleach the floor). The world is unclean.

[Daradon]

Oh yeah, I get A for sure. I've made a little fun in the other thread myself. A comment right on the very first page I believe. But as for this comment, even if it isn't completely logical, is not unreasonable. A lot of people have hang-ups about perceived notions of clean or unclean, animals or otherwise.

I think a lot of people see themselves as far cleaner than the animals or environment around them, even though it's probably not true most of the time.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Oh yeah, I get A for sure. I've made a little fun in the other thread myself. A comment right on the very first page I believe. But as for this comment, even if it isn't completely logical, is not unreasonable. A lot of people have hang-ups about perceived notions of clean or unclean, animals or otherwise.

I think a lot of people see themselves as far cleaner than the animals or environment around them, even though it's probably not true most of the time.

Isn't this kind of the definition of an illogical or unreasonable thought process? Even you say here that it's probably not true most of the time. It's like fearing food poisoning every time you eat.

But I do understand that most cultures come from places where dogs arent domesticated the way they are here and in western Europe, and they kind of just roam the streets as feral dogs. And so yeah you probably shouldn't have one of those laying in your bed. As far as dogs here, I would guess the proportion of dogs I would allow on my bed vs people would be relatively the same. Meaning I wouldn't worry about most. And if a friends dog came over and ended up jumping on my bed, I would have no compulsion to sterilize my room and bed. Wouldn't even cross my mind unless I knew for a fact that the dog had something, or rolled in something, that I don't want in there.

[Boblobla]

I grew up with dogs and I like dogs a lot but dogs in the bed is ####ing gross. I am with Sliver on this one.

Re: The OP, I am not sure why this needs to be a thread tbqh. This is not a new revelation or a change in belief. Just an opportunity to post some ignorant #### I suppose.

[V]

Well, the Muslims got this one right. Stupid dogs.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Isn't this kind of the definition of an illogical or unreasonable thought process? Even you say here that it's probably not true most of the time. It's like fearing food poisoning every time you eat.

But I do understand that most cultures come from places where dogs arent domesticated the way they are here and in western Europe, and they kind of just roam the streets as feral dogs. And so yeah you probably shouldn't have one of those laying in your bed. As far as dogs here, I would guess the proportion of dogs I would allow on my bed vs people would be relatively the same. Meaning I wouldn't worry about most. And if a friends dog came over and ended up jumping on my bed, I would have no compulsion to sterilize my room and bed. Wouldn't even cross my mind unless I knew for a fact that the dog had something, or rolled in something, that I don't want in there.

Well I would argue reasonable and logical are not the same thing. You might logically know that the odds of you getting stabbed in a moonlight walk downtown is virtually nil, yet it could still be reasonable to be a little afraid if you have to cut through a dark alley. That's all I'm saying. Completely logical? No. But reasonable? Yes.

Our fears and phobias are often built on logical inconsistencies, I would agree to that. But it's part of the human experience, and there is generally a nugget of truth in there somewhere even if the overall fear is completely overblown. So I understand it if people feel funny about things that aren't necessarily completely logical. It's all just part of being human.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by old-fart

What's that you say? Some crazy religion has some crazy custom/tenant/ceremony/book/belief? You don't say....

In other news:
- Catholics believe they are actually eating the body and blood of some ancient Jewish dude during communion,
- Mormon's wear magic underwear,
- Scientologist believe the souls of long dead aliens that were blown up in volcanoes with h-bombs are stuck to you like dog turd on your shoe,
- Fundamental Baptists believe women should be subservient to men,
- YECs believe the Earth is only 6,000 - 10,000 years old,
- and most Christians believe that same ancient Jewish dude, who was really actually his own father yet born to a virgin, sacrificed himself... to himself... to pay for sins committed to rules he himself defined and yet allowed to be broken... all because of original sin which was eating a fruit from the "tree of knowledge" because Adam and Eve were tempted by a talking snake who somehow the magic sky fairy couldn't see or stop, and didn't bother to warn Adam and Eve about.

Religion, all religion, is filled with the ridiculous. A Muslim jihad against dogs isn't even in the top 10 of most moronic things religious people have said/done.

You don't actually believe that, do you? The bread and wine are a symbol and 100% of Catholics know very well that it is not the 2000 year old blood and freeze dried flesh of a guy that has been dead (and in your world, being eaten) for 2000 years.

I get the religion bashing (I am a lapsed Catholic myself), but this is stupid.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by RyZ

You don't actually believe that, do you? The bread and wine are a symbol and 100% of Catholics know very well that it is not the 2000 year old blood and freeze dried flesh of a guy that has been dead (and in your world, being eaten) for 2000 years.

I get the religion bashing (I am a lapsed Catholic myself), but this is stupid.

I thought that transubstantiation was still technically the official belief. I was raised Catholic too and basically taught it was a symbol in my family and circles, but I think if you go to the actual belief as put forth by the church they still consider it more than just a symbol.

I will admit, I could be wrong on this. But if it isn't Catholics, some denominations of Christians definitely do.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Daradon

I thought that transubstantiation was still technically the official belief. I was raised Catholic too and basically taught it was a symbol in my family and circles, but I think if you go to the actual belief as put forth by the church they still consider it more than just a symbol.

I will admit, I could be wrong on this. But if it isn't Catholics, some denominations of Christians definitely do.

I think it's still officially church dogma, but I believe the vast majority of Catholics see it as symbolic.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think it's still officially church dogma, but I believe the vast majority of Catholics see it as symbolic.

Yeah, agreed. As I understand it.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think it's still officially church dogma, but I believe the vast majority of Catholics see it as symbolic.

Picking and choosing what to be picking and choosing...

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by RyZ

You don't actually believe that, do you? The bread and wine are a symbol and 100% of Catholics know very well that it is not the 2000 year old blood and freeze dried flesh of a guy that has been dead (and in your world, being eaten) for 2000 years.

I get the religion bashing (I am a lapsed Catholic myself), but this is stupid.

As a kid attending mass every Sunday, I also thought it was merely symbolic. I only learned as an adult, many years after I lost the faith and left the Church, that Catholics genuinely do believe that the bread and wine is literally transubstantiated into the body and blood of Christ.

Transubstantiation (in Latin, transsubstantiatio, in Greek μετουσίωσις metousiosis) is the change whereby, according to the teaching of the Catholic Church, the bread and the wine used in the sacrament of the Eucharist become, not merely as by a sign or a figure, but also in actual reality the body and blood of Christ. The Catholic Church teaches that the substance or reality of the bread is changed into that of the body of Christ and the substance of the wine into that of his blood, while all that is accessible to the senses (the outward appearances - species in Latin) remains unchanged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Oh yeah, I get A for sure. I've made a little fun in the other thread myself. A comment right on the very first page I believe. But as for this comment, even if it isn't completely logical, is not unreasonable. A lot of people have hang-ups about perceived notions of clean or unclean, animals or otherwise.

I think a lot of people see themselves as far cleaner than the animals or environment around them, even though it's probably not true most of the time.

Hell, cats think we're gross. There was a BBC show over the winter whereby the British scientists figured that cats essential consider us to be big, stinky, dumb, hairless cats, and despite purring and such, it actually causes them stress when we put our hands on them and spread our smell.

[REDVAN]

[Daradon]

I'd believe the first part, though I would argue there are some cats that genuinely like to be pet.

I have heard that they do try to spread their smell on us for various reasons though. I think part of it had to do with ownership, they think they own us! Part of it could be to dilute our smell, haha, I'd believe it.

At any one time in the middle of the night I can wake up with any or all of the following in my bed:
2 dogs.
2 cats.
1 five year old daughter.
1 husband.

[taco.vidal]

Talk to a hundred Catholics and I doubt youll find many who believe its nothing more than symbolic. You seem to be speaking for Catholics as to what they believe.

Originally Posted by MarchHare

As a kid attending mass every Sunday, I also thought it was merely symbolic. I only learned as an adult, many years after I lost the faith and left the Church, that Catholics genuinely do believe that the bread and wine is literally transubstantiated into the body and blood of Christ.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation

[old-fart]

Originally Posted by RyZ

You don't actually believe that, do you? The bread and wine are a symbol and 100% of Catholics know very well that it is not the 2000 year old blood and freeze dried flesh of a guy that has been dead (and in your world, being eaten) for 2000 years.

I get the religion bashing (I am a lapsed Catholic myself), but this is stupid.

I agree, it is stupid.

Unfortunately, it is also the official position of the Catholic church that yes, the crappy tasteless wafer and the piss-poor wine do actually become the body and blood of Christ because some priest says a few Latin words over them.

I understand that most Catholics think this is rubbish and consider the wafer and wine as symbolic only. Just like most Catholics think the actual 10 commandments are (for the most part) rubbish along with all the other commandments, and the story of Adam and Eve "a nice story not to be taken literally". That doesn't change the doctrine of the church though.