That's exactly what I'm saying. Electronic music used to be performed live. Kraftwerk, Depache Mode, Moby, The Prodigy and even recent acts like Calvin Harris and Empire of the Sun, perform or used to perform, with their midi/synth keyboards, analog bass guitars and electric (or real) drumkits, on stage. I don't get what you don't understand though. The tastes of EDM fans changed.
Rave style parties overtook concerts as the mainstage for this sort of music and those parties are more suited towards a DJ then a live act. Hell, even big, mainstream festivals are becoming more "Rave-Like". The difference between raves back in the day and these parties today is that the DJ's that make their own music and have success at it have become rockstars so instead of saying "I'm going to <insert cheesy rave party name>", they say "I'm going to see Avicii" and people automatically jump on the "you're going to watch some guy play his ipod" bandwagon when in reality they're going to party with a bunch of like minded people who like Avicii's music and want Avicii to provide the soundtrack for their night. If he does a good job then he's a good DJ in the contexts of todays EDM. If he does a terrible job like he has every time I've seen him, then he is a piss poor DJ. Still a great producer in my mind, but I digress.
The Prodigy is more industrial rock and less Electronic Dance Music. I doubt many people will have a hard time deciding between The Prodigy and Hardwell at some big festival. Different strokes for different folks.
It's gotten to the point where acts will list whether they're DJing or playing Live on their flyers as it makes a big difference to the fans.
P.S. I don't think DJ's are musicans. I think EDM producers are musicians. Big difference.
What about someone like girl talk? I think he's a musician and he's arguably "composing" on stage and performing, much more than someone like Deadmau5 seems to be.
Also, a lot of bigger hip-hop artists are going with a live band. Kendrick Lamar, JayZ, Outkast all have live bands...I think the reason smaller guys don't is simply cost and the live band makes the experience so much better.
Heh, I wonder if there was stuck up, chin stroking snobs back in the day going "pssshh that's just a ####ty guitar solo, try writing a flicking symphony. Total loser sellout"
I don't like this electronic music either, and still don't really consider them musicians myself. In my (probably narrow) mind it's the same as someone playing call of duty claiming they're a soldier.
However, I've accepted that I just simply don't get it. So I just don't listen and surely don't slight anyone that does enjoy it.
What about someone like girl talk? I think he's a musician and he's arguably "composing" on stage and performing, much more than someone like Deadmau5 seems to be.
Also, a lot of bigger hip-hop artists are going with a live band. Kendrick Lamar, JayZ, Outkast all have live bands...I think the reason smaller guys don't is simply cost and the live band makes the experience so much better.
Oh don't get me wrong there are guys who do amazing things with sequencers, controllers and even turntables (I'd recommend checking out ArabMuzik and Glitch Mob for some awesome examples). I was referring to DJ's who have their turntables and a mixer and don't scratch or anything like that. The Afrojack's, Avicii's, Tiesto's and Hardwell's of the world. They're not performing music when they're on stage. I do still without a doubt consider all of them to be incredible musicians in the studio (Sans Tiesto who is a fraud).
I'd group Deadmau5 in with those guys too. His "Live" performance is BS. He fades in stems of his own music. Nothing live about it.
This is how EDM played truely live looks like:
He doesn't do that anymore though, cause that's not what EDM fans want.
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I don't like this electronic music either, and still don't really consider them musicians myself. In my (probably narrow) mind it's the same as someone playing call of duty claiming they're a soldier.
I appreciate the fact that you acknowledge that you don't get it, but this is seriously one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. They are composing music just like any composer.
Look at an average EDM producers Set up and the one thing you will find in all of them is one of these (or something like it):
It's a midi keyboard (I have that exact one ). They play and record the notes just like you would on a piano. Only difference is it feeds the information into a computer where you have the freedom to change the sound, add effects and make corrections.
Here is an example of an EDM artist at work in the studio (skip to the 1 minute mark for the actual music part):
Still just playing COD? I can provide many more examples of how producing EDM looks like if you'd like.
I appreciate the fact that you acknowledge that you don't get it, but this is seriously one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. They are composing music just like any composer.
Look at an average EDM producers Set up and the one thing you will find in all of them is one of these (or something like it):
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It's a midi keyboard (I have that exact one ). They play and record the notes just like you would on a piano. Only difference is it feeds the information into a computer where you have the freedom to change the sound, add effects and make corrections.
Here is an example of an EDM artist at work in the studio (skip to the 1 minute mark for the actual music part):
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Still just playing COD? I can provide many more examples of how producing EDM looks like if you'd like.
See, the bolded is the part where you lose me. So they can just change and manipulate the sound? What's the point of playing it then?
Like I've admitted, I know I'm simply missing something and I know that some the better ones record all their own samples themselves on numerous instruments, and I can appreciate that, but it's simply not for me.
3 pages later and you guys are still arguing disco schematics?
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Heh, I wonder if there was stuck up, chin stroking snobs back in the day going "pssshh that's just a ####ty guitar solo, try writing a flicking symphony. Total loser sellout"
See, the bolded is the part where you lose me. So they can just change and manipulate the sound? What's the point of playing it then?
Cause it gives you the freedom to break free from the limits of analog instruments. If that's what's holding you back then you really shouldn't appreciate pretty much any modern music as I'm positive pretty much every musician uses midi controllers in at least some of their work...
Cause it gives you the freedom to break free from the limits of analog instruments. If that's what's holding you back then you really shouldn't appreciate pretty much any modern music as I'm positive pretty much every musician uses midi controllers in at least some of their work...
Very true, I have difficulty enjoying most modern music because of this very reason. Knowing how it was created just ruins the experience for me
Now let me wade in my ignorance!
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Guitarists have been distorting their sound for decades too.
I was actually going to bring this up in my last post too (As a guitar player with several pedals). Your Dylan example is perfect. I know and fully acknowledge I'm way behind the times here. There's just something about digitizing the process I can't get over.
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). They play and record the notes just like you would on a piano. Only difference is it feeds the information into a computer where you have the freedom to change the sound, add effects and make corrections. 
). Your Dylan example is perfect. I know and fully acknowledge I'm way behind the times here. There's just something about digitizing the process I can't get over.
i took a stick in the mouth playing hockey (this is well before i started playing goal) and had to go get a wee bit of dental work... the dentist removed what was left of my tooth, they then had to pack stuff up inside my gums so that my gum line wouldn't concave in, then they put on a bridge... so my mouth was fairly sore. i didn't take any pain killers in the late afternoon/evening but decided to take a t3 before i went to bed becuz as soon as i laid back my mouth would start throbbing.
