Once again Israel shows it doesn't screw around

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Then it should be easy for you to post just one link to a news source. I googled it and nothing came up.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=calgary+palesti...hezbollah+flag
If it was reported. why won't it show up on google?

And I know all about those terrorist groups, but I just didn't hear anything in the news about them holding their flags so post some links.

You really hate Israel don't you. Why?

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

Non-violent negotiation in the West Bank for the past ten or so years has resulted in expanded settlements and nothing good for the Palestinians. An occupied nation will resort to violence in these circumstances. I will never support terrorism, but see little else available to the Palestinians unfortunately.

There are many reasons nothing happened in that time period, pretty much all of them a result of Abbas refusing to negotiate or reciprocate. In fact, Israel has offered to cease all settlements in exchange for what appears to be simple: Recognition of the Jewish state. This has been a repeat of similar offers. I am afraid that groups like Hamas make the acceptance a dangerous affair. Israel has also offered several deals, but I think baby steps is the way to go. If Abbas cannot recognize Israel, how can anyone truly think they will ever get to a solution?

Claims that Israel has done nothing during times of peace is patently false. Please have a look at this brief history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_...10%E2%80%9311)

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

Also, I couldn't find the quote about Hamas/Gaza I thought you made, so I apologize for that.

I appreciate that. There have been numerous attacks on me from others (all were baseless) and this is the first I have seen to clear the air.

[Righteous1]

make love, not war

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Then it should be easy for you to post just one link to a news source. I googled it and nothing came up.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=calgary+palesti...hezbollah+flag
If it was reported. why won't it show up on google?

And I know all about those terrorist groups, but I just didn't hear anything in the news about them holding their flags so post some links.

I had a look at one video you basically linked for us and it showed a bunch of Pro Palestinian protestors getting violent against a smaller group of Pro Israel protestors. Disgusting and unfortunately predictable, as this seems to be the repeat of other violent 'protests' and intimidation on campuses all over.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/07...n_5610418.html

[corporatejay]

Please excuse my ignorance but isn't the flag in that video a Palestinian flag not a Hezbollah flag?

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Please excuse my ignorance but isn't the flag in that video a Palestinian flag not a Hezbollah flag?

The Hamas flag that caused the stir and the article, at least the only one I heard about was in Ottawa. Not sure if there were reported ones in Calgary.

Here's the article for Ottawa:

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...ial-media-stir

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I had a look at one video you basically linked for us and it showed a bunch of Pro Palestinian protestors getting violent against a smaller group of Pro Israel protestors. Disgusting and unfortunately predictable, as this seems to be the repeat of other violent 'protests' and intimidation on campuses all over.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/07...n_5610418.html

This has nothing to do with me asking for a link regarding people flying the HH flag. I never saw one, did you?

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

You really hate Israel don't you. Why?

Not at all.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

This has nothing to do with me asking for a link regarding people flying the HH flag. I never saw one, did you?

That wasn't my claim, just viewed your video.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Are you joking it was on Global, CBC, CTV not just the papers.
Btw when it was in the paper it was reported as the lead story. Not a column by Ezra Levant.
If you don't know what HH Hamas and Hezbelloh are about you should maybe do yourself a favor and look into it. Then decide. I am a 3rd generation Calgarian and makes me sick that our mayor did not publicly condemn the open support of HH by some of those Palestinian supporters. He spoke about the violence that occurred which was the right thing to do but he failed to point out that Hamas and Hezbollah images at future marches will not be tolerated.
The rest of the free world including our own Country has firmly stated the actions of Hamas and Hezbelloh will not be supported.

The video that was produced in this thread showed no Hezbollah or Hamas flags, I think Arya is just asking for you to produce an article, picture or video from a reputable source that showed a Hamas or Hezbollah flag at the pro-palestine rally.

A quick google search showed that the only one that has appeared in canada was in Ottawa, so I'm not sure what you expect Nenshi to do about that.

[Arya Stark]

Who brings an air-gun to a rally?

"One person was arrested tonight at a rally at the Calgary Jewish Community Centre.
The man was arrested for possession of a weapon.
He was trying to bring airsoft gun into the Israel solidarity rally, say police.
The suspect is known to police and they say his actions were not politically motivated"

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/canada/cal...tory/1.2716283

[Manhattanboy]

The FAA has authorized the resumption of flights to and from Ben Gurion Airport.

It will be interesting to see whether Hamas continues to target that area, and in particular whether they attempt to shoot down a commercial jet. I would think so.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Ok, will you support Palestine and its terrorist attacks perpetuated by Hamas if it leads to the destruction of Israel?

They would have won it "fair and square" right?

Secondly, Canada did not form itself on the basis of having an all Christian country or an all Jewish country. How can democracy even exist in a place where what religion you believe in decides what rights you have? That is a slap to the face of democracy.

And last of all, Jewish people arrived in Palestine as refugees escaping the anti-Semitism in Europe and were promised land by Britain in which they did not own. The Palestinian people did not lose their land "fair and square". They were persecuted and paid for the sins of something they had no control of, the holocaust.

Yes, if Hamas can destroy Israel it will be their country, but they can't which makes their actions inane, all they are doing is getting their people killed.
As to the rest of your post it is all irrelevant, doesn't matter how they got there or why, it's their land as no one can or will take it from them.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

The FAA has authorized the resumption of flights to and from Ben Gurion Airport.

It will be interesting to see whether Hamas continues to target that area, and in particular whether they attempt to shoot down a commercial jet. I would think so.

I highly doubt they have the technology for that. They can barely reach the airport, there is no way they can hit a plane.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

I highly doubt they have the technology for that. They can barely reach the airport, there is no way they can hit a plane.

There is no way they have the required missiles. But I can see them resuming rocket strikes in the area.

[Tinordi]

Asymmetric violations of international law.

All nations have a right of self-defense, including Israel. But that right may be exercised lawfully only in limited circumstances. Israel cannot validly claim self-defense in its recent onslaught against Gaza for two main reasons.

First, despite its 2005 withdrawal of ground forces and settlers from Gaza, Israel still exercises effective control over the region by controlling its airspace, coast and territorial waters, land borders (with Egypt), electromagnetic fields, electricity and fuel supply. Accordingly, Israel remains an occupying power under international law, bound to protect the occupied civilian population. Israel can use force to defend itself, but no more than is necessary to quell disturbances. Hence this is not a war – rather, it is a top military power unleashing massive firepower against a penned and occupied Palestinian population.

Second, self-defense cannot be claimed by a state that initiates violence, as Israel did in its crackdown on Hamas in the West Bank, arresting more than 400, searching 2,200 homes and other sites, and killing at least nine Palestinians. There is no evidence that the terrible murders of three Israeli youths that Israel claimed as justification for the crackdown were anything other than private criminal acts that do not trigger a nation’s right of self-defense (were an American citizen, or even a Drug Enforcement Administration agent killed by drug traffickers on our border with Mexico, that would not entitle us to bomb Mexico City).

Hamas’s indiscriminate rocket salvos also likely violate international law, but have caused only one death. Every life is valuable, but the gravity of Hamas’s violations pale in comparison to Israel’s serious war crimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate...ts-it-provoked

[Tinordi]

If Israel is losing the propaganda war, it's because propaganda can only take you so far when the facts are telling a story you'd rather people didn't hear. Social media has something to do with it, but it's still traditional media that show the largest numbers of people what's going on. And when you have a Palestinian death toll that now exceeds 500 and is going nowhere but up while the numbers of Israeli civilians who have died is still in the single digits, you just aren't going to be able to spin a story of equal suffering and blame. It's as though Hamas said, "I dare you to kill those people," and Israel replied, "You got it," then turned to the rest of the world and said, "Hey, what do you want — he dared me!"

http://prospect.org/article/are-medi...aza-war-fairly

Why are the people vigorously defending Israel so thoroughly ignoring the human cost in Palestine? And latching on to anything that will deflect the conversation away to how bad Hamas is?

[Tinordi]

Gabor Maté, he must hate Israel too...

There is no understanding Gaza out of context — Hamas rockets or unjustifiable terrorist attacks on civilians — and that context is the longest ongoing ethnic cleansing operation in the recent and present centuries, the ongoing attempt to destroy Palestinian nationhood.
The Palestinians use tunnels? So did my heroes, the poorly armed fighters of the Warsaw Ghetto. Unlike Israel, Palestinians lack Apache helicopters, guided drones, jet fighters with bombs, laser-guided artillery. Out of impotent defiance, they fire inept rockets, causing terror for innocent Israelis but rarely physical harm. With such a gross imbalance of power, there is no equivalence of culpability.
Israel wants peace? Perhaps, but as the veteran Israeli journalist Gideon Levy has pointed out, it does not want a just peace. Occupation and creeping annexation, an inhumane blockade, the destruction of olive groves, the arbitrary imprisonment of thousands, torture, daily humiliation of civilians, house demolitions: these are not policies compatible with any desire for a just peace. In Tel Aviv Gideon Levy now moves around with a bodyguard, the price of speaking the truth.
I have visited Gaza and the West Bank. I saw multi-generational Palestinian families weeping in hospitals around the bedsides of their wounded, at the graves of their dead. These are not people who do not care about life. They are like us — Canadians, Jews, like anyone: they celebrate life, family, work, education, food, peace, joy. And they are capable of hatred, they can harbour vengeance in the hearts, just like we can.

And what shall we do, we ordinary people? I pray we can listen to our hearts. My heart tells me that “never again” is not a tribal slogan, that the murder of my grandparents in Auschwitz does not justify the ongoing dispossession of Palestinians, that justice, truth, peace are not tribal prerogatives. That Israel’s “right to defend itself,” unarguable in principle, does not validate mass killing.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/comme...nightmare.html

[_Q_]

Remember, the PA already recognize Israel and accepts their existence as agreed upon in 1993. What caused the talks to break down in 2010 was Netanyahu's insistence that the PA recognize Israel as a Jewish State. Israel can define itself however it pleases, I'm not sure why it's the Palestinians responsibility to validate that definition. Furthermore, defining Israel as a Jewish State when almost a quarter of its citizens aren't Jewish is dangerous. I'm not sure Abbas wants anything to do with that frankly.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

The FAA has authorized the resumption of flights to and from Ben Gurion Airport.

It will be interesting to see whether Hamas continues to target that area, and in particular whether they attempt to shoot down a commercial jet. I would think so.

I'm fairly certain the last thing Hamas should be doing is trying to shoot down a jetliner and bring other countries into this. Unless they shoot down an Israeli airline with all Israeli's on it, they're asking to bring another country into the action, and have the entire PR tide turn on them. Look at how quickly the entire world wanted Russia to be punished for the attack last week. Hamas is an actual terrorist organization. Would be their demise to shoot down an airliner.