Yeah but Canada isn't territory controlled by the United States. Say the Tsutina was lobbing rockets at Calgary. Would it be fair for Canada to send in fighter jets to carpet bomb the Tsutina and go in and demolish homes? No, we would probably undertake a police investigation and bring the perpetrators to justice.
But none of that would happen in Canada anyways because Canada is a nation that respects human rights and equality amongst minorities.
Yes canada does respect minorities, except for the part where the whole country was stolen/colonized from the indigenous inhabitants and we are not giving it back, yes as thieves go we're nicer than most but we still nicked this whole effing country and make natives live on apartheid like Bantu reservations in order to get the reparations they are owed.
Unless you are about to hand your house over to the Cree or Ojibwa your no better than the Israelis, me I'm keeping my house as 'my people' won it fair and square, just like the Israelis did. History isn't nice or fair, it is based on the Darwinian concept of might is right but that is how every country was formed.
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Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist groups hell bent on Genocide of Israel.
I was stunned to read in the paper that some Palestine supporters in Calgary were waving HH flags and wearing their symbols.
It should not be allowed to happen again the next time they gather at city hall.
If they want to wave Palestine flags fine but HH is supporting organized terrorism.
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Yes canada does respect minorities, except for the part where the whole country was stolen/colonized from the indigenous inhabitants and we are not giving it back, yes as thieves go we're nicer than most but we still nicked this whole effing country and make natives live on apartheid like Bantu reservations in order to get the reparations they are owed.
Unless you are about to hand your house over to the Cree or Ojibwa your no better than the Israelis, me I'm keeping my house as 'my people' won it fair and square, just like the Israelis did. History isn't nice or fair, it is based on the Darwinian concept of might is right but that is how every country was formed.
Ok, will you support Palestine and its terrorist attacks perpetuated by Hamas if it leads to the destruction of Israel?
They would have won it "fair and square" right?
Secondly, Canada did not form itself on the basis of having an all Christian country or an all Jewish country. How can democracy even exist in a place where what religion you believe in decides what rights you have? That is a slap to the face of democracy.
And last of all, Jewish people arrived in Palestine as refugees escaping the anti-Semitism in Europe and were promised land by Britain in which they did not own. The Palestinian people did not lose their land "fair and square". They were persecuted and paid for the sins of something they had no control of, the holocaust.
Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist groups hell bent on Genocide of Israel.
I was stunned to read in the paper that some Palestine supporters in Calgary were waving HH flags and wearing their symbols.
It should not be allowed to happen again the next time they gather at city hall.
If they want to wave Palestine flags fine but HH is supporting organized terrorism.
What is a HH flag? Hezbullah? and be careful what you read in the papers. A scumbag like Ezra Levant is out in full force making up lies.
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Are you trying to claim that I said Palestinians in Gaza somehow had it coming? What is your claim about me and how do you justify that? Please post what it is I said that you are now using to smear me with. Otherwise this is just another baseless insult.
And last of all, Jewish people arrived in Palestine as refugees escaping the anti-Semitism in Europe and were promised land by Britain in which they did not own. The Palestinian people did not lose their land "fair and square". They were persecuted and paid for the sins of something they had no control of, the holocaust.
You realize that there were already Jewish people there, right? It's not like they just all suddenly came down from Europe.
Also, I am pretty sure you don't have to be Jewish to receive fair rights in Israel. While it is a Jewish state, and you are granted citizenship if you are Jewish, you can still receive citizenship the same way you do in every other country in Israel.
I think both statements you just made are unfair and incorrect. Well, other than the Palestinians not getting a fair deal. But just as people are calling on Israel to back-off and allow Palestine to govern their own state, people had called upon the Arab nations and Palestine to accept the borders drawn in 1948, there would be a Palestinian country still. Instead they underestimated Israel and thought they could wipe it out upon inception.
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You realize that there were already Jewish people there, right? It's not like they just all suddenly came down from Europe.
Also, I am pretty sure you don't have to be Jewish to receive fair rights in Israel. While it is a Jewish state, and you are granted citizenship if you are Jewish, you can still receive citizenship the same way you do in every other country in Israel.
I think both statements you just made are unfair and incorrect. Well, other than the Palestinians not getting a fair deal. But just as people are calling on Israel to back-off and allow Palestine to govern their own state, people had called upon the Arab nations and Palestine to accept the borders drawn in 1948, there would be a Palestinian country still. Instead they underestimated Israel and thought they could wipe it out upon inception.
Yes, I do realize that and those Jewish people were living so in peace and there was no animosity between Muslims and Jews at that time. The trouble started after they wanted their own Jewish state on land that was 95% owned by Palestinians. And they kept year after year and decade after decade building illegal settlements on land that was no theirs.
The Jewish people in Palestine were less than 5% of the population. If it wasn't for the refugees coming over from Europe there is no chance they would have been able to form Israel.
And the treatment of Black people is all you need to look at in Israel that if you are not Jewish or an Israeli you are not treated equally. How can we support a democracy based on religion?
Ok, will you support Palestine and its terrorist attacks perpetuated by Hamas if it leads to the destruction of Israel?
I support trying to find a peaceful solution. A complete end of violence.
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They would have won it "fair and square" right?
The UN created two states based on demographics at the time. I think we are stuck with Israel existing as it is and some sort of agreement made with Palestinians for peace. Israel has proven in the past that they are willing to negotiate and trade land for peace. From the outside looking in, Israel seems a much better ally to the Palestinians than Hamas.
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Secondly, Canada did not form itself on the basis of having an all Christian country or an all Jewish country. How can democracy even exist in a place where what religion you believe in decides what rights you have? That is a slap to the face of democracy.
That is not true at all. Israeli citizens, as has been described multiple times in this thread, have equal rights, regardless of race, religion, sex or orientation. Israel's demand for a jewish state are not based on hatred of other races, religions or people, but rather a dark and terrible history of hatred against them. Hatred that had no basis in any fact. Israel is based on the fact that this hatred justifies a nation that offers protection for Jews, and believes that other people would benefit living there in the same way. Arabs have a greater standard of living in Israel than most if not all of the Arab world.
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And last of all, Jewish people arrived in Palestine as refugees escaping the anti-Semitism in Europe and were promised land by Britain in which they did not own. The Palestinian people did not lose their land "fair and square". They were persecuted and paid for the sins of something they had no control of, the holocaust.
Jews were also already there, not just Palestinians. In fact, the original plan was to give Palestinians more than half the arable land simply because there were more Palestinians.
Of course, many Palestinians left due to Israeli attacks and many left on their own accord, but it wasn't like Palestinians were not doing the same. Or they (both Jews and arabs) simply sold and left. However, the one most important factor that lead to what we have today, were multiple Arab attacks against Israel. Britain tried to broker a deal prior to 1948, but only 'Israel' at the time agreed to anything.
There is absolutely no going back. There simply has to be recognition of Israel, an agreement on land and absolutely no violence.
Yes, I do realize that and those Jewish people were living so in peace and there was no animosity between Muslims and Jews at that time. The trouble started after they wanted their own Jewish state on land that was 95% owned by Palestinians. And they kept year after year and decade after decade building illegal settlements on land that was no theirs.
Actually, that is not true (the 95% value and the 'no animosity'). The region had been violent for years prior to '48. Arabs in the region were already trying to deal with the fact so many Jews were moving to the area. There were numerous violent events.
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The Jewish people in Palestine were less than 5% of the population. If it wasn't for the refugees coming over from Europe there is no chance they would have been able to form Israel.
Official counts are that nearly 40% were Jewish by 1948.
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And the treatment of Black people is all you need to look at in Israel that if you are not Jewish or an Israeli you are not treated equally. How can we support a democracy based on religion?
Although Israel has had it's problems regarding Africans moving or walking into Israel, acts of racism are isolated incidents and reflect on Israel the same way it reflects on Canada when something similar happens. To claim differently is holding Israel to a different standard than much of the rest of the world, most specifically the rest of the middle east. These Africans sneak into Israel because A) they can claim asylum there (ie Sudanese escaping Islamic terror groups) and B) Israel promotes tolerance and acceptance of these people. I am not sure at what point you will refrain from these accusations against Israel which are unsubstantiated.
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What is a HH flag? Hezbullah? and be careful what you read in the papers. A scumbag like Ezra Levant is out in full force making up lies.
Are you joking it was on Global, CBC, CTV not just the papers.
Btw when it was in the paper it was reported as the lead story. Not a column by Ezra Levant.
If you don't know what HH Hamas and Hezbelloh are about you should maybe do yourself a favor and look into it. Then decide. I am a 3rd generation Calgarian and makes me sick that our mayor did not publicly condemn the open support of HH by some of those Palestinian supporters. He spoke about the violence that occurred which was the right thing to do but he failed to point out that Hamas and Hezbollah images at future marches will not be tolerated.
The rest of the free world including our own Country has firmly stated the actions of Hamas and Hezbelloh will not be supported.
Are you joking it was on Global, CBC, CTV not just the papers.
Btw when it was in the paper it was reported as the lead story. Not a column by Ezra Levant.
If you don't know what HH Hamas and Hezbelloh are about you should maybe do yourself a favor and look into it. Then decide. I am a 3rd generation Calgarian and makes me sick that our mayor did not publicly condemn the open support of HH by some of those Palestinian supporters. He spoke about the violence that occurred which was the right thing to do but he failed to point out that Hamas and Hezbollah images at future marches will not be tolerated.
The rest of the free world including our own Country has firmly stated the actions of Hamas and Hezbelloh will not be supported.
Post them. I have been following this story closely and this is the first I have heard of this.
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Actually, that is not true (the 95% value and the 'no animosity'). The region had been violent for years prior to '48. Arabs in the region were already trying to deal with the fact so many Jews were moving to the area. There were numerous violent events.
It was close to 95%, not exactly. According to everything I've read. Most point it at 80-90%
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Yes, because of the refugees.
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Although Israel has had it's problems regarding Africans moving or walking into Israel, acts of racism are isolated incidents and reflect on Israel the same way it reflects on Canada when something similar happens. To claim differently is holding Israel to a different standard than much of the rest of the world, most specifically the rest of the middle east. These Africans sneak into Israel because A) they can claim asylum there (ie Sudanese escaping Islamic terror groups) and B) Israel promotes tolerance and acceptance of these people. I am not sure at what point you will refrain from these accusations against Israel which are unsubstantiated.
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Here is a video that shows that is just not true. It isn't just the citizens of Israel that are being racist, the government is as well. You can get educated on the subject as well.
You're totally right, those words were never specifically used. My bad.
I just don't see it. The intent of those words were never used by blankall. Saying they voted them in so share some of the responsibility is much different than 'they have it coming'.
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Post them. I have been following this story closely and this is the first I have head of this.
If you have been following this closely as you state then you will know it was common knowledge that is what happened and was reported.
You will also know that Hamas and Hezbollah mandate is to genocide every Jewish person around the world.
You will also know that publicly wearing a symbol of Hamas & Hezbelloh or waving their flag is saying death to Israel.
They are a major terrorist organization that has been responsible for thousands of terrorist attacks around the world. Not just in the gaza territory and Israel.
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If you have been following this closely as you state then you will know it was common knowledge that is what happened and was reported.
You will also know that Hamas and Hezbollah mandate is to genocide every Jewish person around the world.
You will also know that publicly wearing a symbol of Hamas & Hezbelloh or waving their flag is saying death to Israel.
They are a major terrorist organization that has been responsible for thousands of terrorist attacks around the world. Not just in the gaza territory and Israel.
Then it should be easy for you to post just one link to a news source. I googled it and nothing came up.
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There is absolutely no going back. There simply has to be recognition of Israel, an agreement on land and absolutely no violence.
Non-violent negotiation in the West Bank for the past ten or so years has resulted in expanded settlements and nothing good for the Palestinians. An occupied nation will resort to violence in these circumstances. I will never support terrorism, but see little else available to the Palestinians unfortunately.
Also, I couldn't find the quote about Hamas/Gaza I thought you made, so I apologize for that.
What i find interesting is that there's a bit of a slap in the face to the American's there as they couldn't form a voting block.
We know that their international influence and prestige has slipped a bit, this makes a compelling argument for that.
Would not surprise me a bit if that was an intended result from the US. It allows them to put a little bit of pressure on the Israeli side yet keeping up the facade of complete support. Same with John Kerry "accidental" quip, and the FAA ban (instead of Europe's strong recommendation against travel).
