Once again Israel shows it doesn't screw around

[WCW Nitro]

Former Mayor Bloomberg says everything is comfortable in Israel, and that the FAA should reverse its flight ban. Now that some financial pain is being experienced, the rockets have magically ceased to be a dangerous threat.



http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/23/travel...html?hpt=hp_t1

[CaptainCrunch]

To me it does, it makes it fairly hypocritical.

The UN is long overdue for a overhaul.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Does that invalidate in any way the findings of the council, or is everyone just out to get Israel?

Some of these dictatorships know human rights abuses when they see them.

Its just another convenient way to justify the Israeli attacks on civilians. I don't see what homophobia in Saudi Arabia has to do with raining bombs down on civilians in occupied territory. Its still wrong.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Does that invalidate in any way the findings of the council, or is everyone just out to get Israel?

Israel kills 600! Investigate! Israel doing horrible things that cannot go on with the UNHRC on the watch!

Syrian government spends a few years slaughtering their own so maybe it's time to investigate this and move it to the ICC? Nah, veto it. Condemnation is more than enough!

Apparently a few months is all it takes for China and Russia to decide that it's time to start looking into some of these atrocities.

[Tinordi]

Interesting to view the mental gymnastics. Come on people argue with the substance of my posts.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by blankall

I agree embarrassing that countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Venezuela are on a body responsible for upholding human rights.

Countries that make homosexuality a crime should be nowhere near that body.

Aren't there places in the United States which bans same sex marriage?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Interesting to view the mental gymnastics. Come on people argue with the substance of my posts.

I don't think anyone took issue with the substance of your posts. I think his issue was with what Zevo saw as a sweeping statement that anyone who saw Hamas as the aggressors felt the Palestinian people were just as guilty.

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Aren't there places in the United States which bans same sex marriage?

Whilst I heavily disagree with a ban on same-sex marriage, a lot of those states are losing the rights to keep those laws.

There is also a huge difference between stoning someone to death for being gay and not letting them wed.

One is shameful and sad. The other is an atrocity.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Interesting to view the mental gymnastics. Come on people argue with the substance of my posts.

Still waiting for you to back up this claim, and maybe try to be a little less condescending:

Some people in this thread are moronically suggesting that Gazans had it coming because they supported Hamas democratically

If you can't point out those people, no point in taking anything else you say seriously.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Aren't there places in the United States which bans same sex marriage?

Yeah slight difference between being able to openly be gay and not allowed to get married and countries where being openly gay means prison or death. And those states that ban gay marriage are being crushed by the Supreme Court all the time. The Supreme Courts in some of those other countries wouldn't dare do such a thing.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Yeah slight difference between being able to openly be gay and not allowed to get married and countries where being openly gay means prison or death. And those states that ban gay marriage are being crushed by the Supreme Court all the time. The Supreme Courts in some of those other countries wouldn't dare do such a thing.

Of course there is a difference. Still a human rights issue.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Aren't there places in the United States which bans same sex marriage?

Not allowing gay marriage is backward and reprehensible, stringing kids up from cranes for being gay is a whole other level of troglodyte effed upness.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Of course there is a difference. Still a human rights issue.

No one is arguing that it isn't. What is your point?

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

No one is arguing that it isn't. What is your point?

Who would have gotten my point if you read.

Originally Posted by blankall

I agree embarrassing that countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Venezuela are on a body responsible for upholding human rights.

America is and has been one of the worst human rights violators in history in the first world. Funny how Blankall conveniently points the finger any time it favors Israel but has a short memory when it puts them in a bad light.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Who would have gotten my point if you read.

I don't know, who would have?

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

America is and has been one of the worst human rights violators in history in the first world. Funny how Blankall conveniently points the finger any time it favors Israel but has a short memory when it puts them in a bad light.

So you agree, the UNHRC is a bit of a joke then with the countries represented on it?

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

I don't know, who would have?

Hilarious.

So you agree, the UNHRC is a bit of a joke then with the countries represented on it?

No, all countries have their blemishes with human rights. Some more than others. It has absolutely zero relevance to the UNHRC especially regarding war crimes.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Still waiting for you to back up this claim, and maybe try to be a little less condescending:

If you can't point out those people, no point in taking anything else you say seriously.

It took me about three seconds to find a page containing this:

Originally Posted by blankall

Hamas did not come into power until after the Israelis had withdrawn from the Gaza Strip.

The withdrawal from Gaza was meant to be a test run. They withdrew from their to see what the effect would be of a later withdrawal form the West Bank. The West Bank has border is a much larger and harder border to defend.

Immediately upon withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, the Palestinians voted in Hamas and used the territory as a platform to launch guerrilla warfare against Israeli citizens.

Your logic is flawed, in that the citizens of Gaza were already rewarded, and they responded with violence.

The 'Test Case' bestowed upon the Palestinian people (which is baloney), was a failure because.... they elected Hamas.

And so we get into the 'Israel must defend itself' rhetoric, and the connection between failing this 'test' and undergoing massive casualties is plainly made.

[Arya Stark]

Not surprising coming from Blankall. He has made several claims in this thread that were outrageous and totally ignored calls for evidence.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Hilarious.

No, all countries have their blemishes with human rights. Some more than others. It has absolutely zero relevance to the UNHRC especially regarding war crimes.

Okay that's fair, but if you believe US has some of the worst human rights offenses, why has nothing come of "investigations" into use of Drone attacks on civilians and abuses of Native Americans? The idea of the UNHRC is all and good, but in reality, an investigation by them really holds no weight internationally, all it is a pat on the back for those that said some event should be looked at, then it's all thrown to the side.

Part of that is because if it had any real weight, those countries that Blankall talked about would have a lot to worry about, but until they actually try to uphold human rights, those countries will sit pretty on those panels feeling good about themselves for "making a difference".

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

It took me about three seconds to find a page containing this:



Same page contained similar sentiments from Nage Waza and Regorium.

The 'Test Case' bestowed upon the Palestinian people (which is baloney), was a failure because.... they elected Hamas.

And so we get into the 'Israel must defend itself' rhetoric, and the connection between failing this 'test' and undergoing massive casualties is plainly made.

Am I missing something? I still don't see where blankell says "the Gazans had it coming".

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Zevo

Am I missing something? I still don't see where blankell says "the Gazans had it coming".

You're totally right, those words were never specifically used. My bad.