Once again Israel shows it doesn't screw around

[IgiTang]

I have never heard Harper or any Canadian prime minister say that we need to maintain a balance of 30% infiltrators to 70% Canadians or we are at risk of losing our Canadian Society....

Just sayin..

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Or must suck to be in the Israeli position, fighting a war where you are never certain you are hitting a target or targeting civilians, imagine the moral dilemma going through these soldiers heads every day in the conflict.

I wonder if they have a moral dilemma when they intentionally fly at low altitudes at high speed to create sonic booms which target no one, but causes widespread fear and anxiety(especially among children).

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Well, when you're an occupied resistance movement, sometimes you have to use whatever means at your disposal to resist occupation. I feel like most of the time, that fact is completely lost in the discussion. Like they COULD use armoured personnel carriers but instead try to get one over on the Israeli's by putting them in ambulances.

It's ugly, but, so is foreign occupation. Reality of the situation on the ground.

Gaza hasn't been occupied since 2006.
Whatever has happened since then has been in Hamas's control. They could have built an economy, helped their people. They prefer to tilt at windmills, fire rockets at Israel in an attempt to get them to respond, sacrificing their people to raise funds from the Saudis.

I may loathe Israel's position generally but in terms of murdering Palestinians Hamas is worse.

[The Ditch]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I may loathe Israel's position generally but in terms of murdering Palestinians Hamas is worse.

Patently false. Literally Israel has killed more Palestinians than Hamas, there is no discussion there.

[edslunch]

Both sides deserve what they're getting as far as I can see. Not the civilians but the goddamn leadership

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

Patently false. Literally Israel has killed more Palestinians than Hamas, there is no discussion there.

If Hamas refuses a cease fire and continues to fire rockets at Israel, they are responsible for the deaths of their own people

[The Ditch]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If Hamas refuses a cease fire and continues to fire rockets at Israel, they are responsible for the deaths of their own people

It's ridiculous leaps in logic like this that attempt to legitimize genocide that makes my head spin.

They're making us kill all of their civilians and children! What can we do we HAVE to kill all these innocent people!

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If Hamas refuses a cease fire and continues to fire rockets at Israel, they are responsible for the deaths of their own people

If Israel had stopped their brutality towards the Palestinians there would not have been Rockets fired. No one here wins the chicken and egg dance

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

If Israel had stopped their brutality towards the Palestinians there would not have been Rockets fired.

Yes. Yes there would have.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Gaza hasn't been occupied since 2006.
Whatever has happened since then has been in Hamas's control. They could have built an economy, helped their people. They prefer to tilt at windmills, fire rockets at Israel in an attempt to get them to respond, sacrificing their people to raise funds from the Saudis.

I may loathe Israel's position generally but in terms of murdering Palestinians Hamas is worse.

There has been an air, land, and sea blockade since then.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Go back and read your quotes (even this one), if you can't see what's wrong with what you said then it proves my point. I'm not arguing with a racist like you.

Your like a 5 year old..just go away if you can't debate, and your use of personal name attacks show what a goof you are.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

It's ridiculous leaps in logic like this that attempt to legitimize genocide that makes my head spin.

They're making us kill all of their civilians and children! What can we do we HAVE to kill all these innocent people!

Ignoring the argument that Israel shouldn't have been founded under the Balfour declaration in the first place, which although I agree with, is irrelevant 60 years and 3 generations of born in the region Jewish Israelis on, if you attack a country, be it Israel or the US they will and should respond, that's their responsibility to their population, it's called a social contract.
If Christy Clark decided to fire rockets into Washington state in order to 'force' the US to give back british N America regardless of the wishes of the population the US would respond violently, the deaths would on Christies head.
If Hamas attacks Israel knowing full well Israel will shoot back they are responsible for the consequences.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

There has been an air, land, and sea blockade since then.

Gaza has a border with Egypt, what's your excuse for Hamas miss management there?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by T@T

Your like a 5 year old..just go away if you can't debate, and your use of personal name attacks show what a goof you are.

lol, you haven't exactly been the poster boy for debate in this threat T@T

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Ignoring the argument that Israel shouldn't have been founded under the Balfour declaration in the first place, which although I agree with, is irrelevant 60 years and 3 generations of born in the region Jewish Israelis on, if you attack a country, be it Israel or the US they will and should respond, that's their responsibility to their population, it's called a social contract.
If Christy Clark decided to fire rockets into Washington state in order to 'force' the US to give back british N America regardless of the wishes of the population the US would respond violently, the deaths would on Christies head.
If Hamas attacks Israel knowing full well Israel will shoot back they are responsible for the consequences.

I agree with you that regardless of what you feel about the creation of Israel, too many generations have passed to want that decision reversed. Israel is a fait accompli and is one of the reasons I disagree with the Palestinian right of return demand. However, your example doesn't tell the whole story. A more accurate one would be that the US says it wants peace, but continues to build in Kelowna and move its settlers there. I don't know how many times I've brought this up, but there are no rockets/hamas in the West bank, but israel continues to build settlements there. So, what's israel's excuse in that situation?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I have never heard Harper or any Canadian prime minister say that we need to maintain a balance of 30% infiltrators to 70% Canadians or we are at risk of losing our Canadian Society....

Just sayin..

Canada is a multicultural society. Countries in the old world are not.

Jewish people wanting sovereignty is not racist. Being a minority, particularly in the middle east, is not fun. The argument your making is that unless the Israelis accept Arab/muslim rule they are racist. Jewish people having a country isn't any different than Swedish, Scottish, Chinese, Palestinian, etc.. people having their own country.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by blankall

Canada is a multicultural society. Countries in the old world are not.

Jewish people wanting sovereignty is not racist. Being a minority, particularly in the middle east, is not fun. The argument your making is that unless the Israelis accept Arab/muslim rule they are racist. Jewish people having a country isn't any different than Swedish, Scottish, Chinese, Palestinian, etc.. people having their own country.

Now this I agree with. Every religious group has a country where they are the majority. Israel wanting to remain a Jewish majority country is not a bad thing.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

I agree with you that regardless of what you feel about the creation of Israel, too many generations have passed to want that decision reversed. Israel is a fait accompli and is one of the reasons I disagree with the Palestinian right of return demand. However, your example doesn't tell the whole story. A more accurate one would be that the US says it wants peace, but continues to build in Kelowna and move its settlers there. I don't know how many times I've brought this up, but there are no rockets/hamas in the West bank, but israel continues to build settlements there. So, what's israel's excuse in that situation?

I think Israeli settlements in the West Bank are reprehensible and sound the death knell for Israel in the long term, that said they have nothing to do with Gaza or Hamas, if the PLO were firing rockets out of the West Bank I actually would agree with the self defence argument, in Gaza Hamas are just being #######s sacrificing the lives of their people in order to effectively fund raise and line their own pockets outside of Gaza with the Saudis.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

I agree with you that regardless of what you feel about the creation of Israel, too many generations have passed to want that decision reversed. Israel is a fait accompli and is one of the reasons I disagree with the Palestinian right of return demand. However, your example doesn't tell the whole story. A more accurate one would be that the US says it wants peace, but continues to build in Kelowna and move its settlers there. I don't know how many times I've brought this up, but there are no rockets/hamas in the West bank, but israel continues to build settlements there. So, what's israel's excuse in that situation?

And more to the point it doesn't matter what Israel does, there is nothing the Palestinians can do to stop them, all Hamas are doing are killing their own people which is, if anything, worse.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

And more to the point it doesn't matter what Israel does, there is nothing the Palestinians can do to stop them, all Hamas are doing are killing their own people which is, if anything, worse.

Sorry, could you clarify this point. Are you talking about the West Bank / Settlement situation? Or are you talking about Gaza / Hamas?